[FiskeredMan]

Fisker Ocean can get a big boost in “lovability” if it can surprise us with an even better CATL battery in 2023!
Can they? Will they?

CATL unveils Qilin Battery, says it can easily achieve 1,000 km vehicle range

The Qilin Battery will have an energy density of 255 Wh/kg and will be in mass production in 2023, CATL said.

cnevpost.com

 

[oldcarrot]

Although that would be great, I'd imagine those who get the Ones wouldn't be to happy. Can't OTA upgrade the battery pack.

 

[FiskeredMan]

Yeah… and the ONEs will
Have some initial bugs too perhaps… which will be fixed in 2023 models.

wonder if they will allow for Swapping batteries as batteries change with time … newer ones will be better. They should have standard form factors.

 

[WhiteOcean]

CATL had battery safety issue before with its NCM 811 batteries which was called fire-prone battery. I hope the Ocean does not have this safety issue with NCM batteries for ultra, extreme and one.

 

[baydreamer]

I would guess that Fisker would have to do more work than merely installing a new battery. If the weight is different than what's currently on the table, that would mean suspension retuning. And maybe other things I'm not thinking of. Or perhaps I'm totally wrong. 😁 But as was already written, those One owners wouldn't be too happy. Hopefully it'll be available down the road (certainly this is what's going in the Ronin). As I wrote somewhere else, I'd love to see this battery in an Ocean 4 door coupe.

 

[bankersreo]

Fisker Ocean can get a big boost in “lovability” if it can surprise us with an even better CATL battery in 2023!
Can they? Will they?

CATL unveils Qilin Battery, says it can easily achieve 1,000 km vehicle range

The Qilin Battery will have an energy density of 255 Wh/kg and will be in mass production in 2023, CATL said.

cnevpost.com

This needs to happen

 

[HotIce]

It probably will down the line. Fisker has probably already agreed to purchase a certain amount of the current cells from CATL. That could be 50,000 it could be 100,000 or it could be more. Whatever the number is, it's not going to be before that number is met. and CATL has made its return. I expect the Ocean to have the current 2170 cells for at least the next two or three years minimum.

 

[BayouCityBob]

I hate to rain on the enthusiasm, but experience suggests that vehicle models tend to stick with the cells they are designed around with incremental improvements in packaging. The new Model S plaid is still using the original 1865 cells. Moreover the Qilin batteries will sell at a significant premium for OEMs with high performance vehicles at least while they are in short supply for the next few years. CATL makes cells for a great many companies (including Tesla) and if the new packs deliver the promised energy density they will be in high demand. IMHO, I would not expect to see these in the Ocean any time soon. PEAR is a more likely candidate as it is still in early stages of design.

 

[baydreamer]

I hate to rain on the enthusiasm, but experience suggests that vehicle models tend to stick with the cells they are designed around with incremental improvements in packaging. The new Model S plaid is still using the original 1865 cells. Moreover the Qilin batteries will sell at a significant premium for OEMs with high performance vehicles at least while they are in short supply for the next few years. CATL makes cells for a great many companies (including Tesla) and if the new packs deliver the promised energy density they will be in high demand. IMHO, I would not expect to see these in the Ocean any time soon. PEAR is a more likely candidate as it is still in early stages of design.

Based on estimated specs (310 miles of range for PEAR, over 600 for Ronin), I think that it's safe to say that the Ronin will be the first Fisker to use this battery. No doubt improved batteries will filter down as time goes on. I can't imagine that the more mainstream cars will get Qilin before Ronin.

 

[FiskeredMan]

Based on estimated specs (310 miles of range for PEAR, over 600 for Ronin), I think that it's safe to say that the Ronin will be the first Fisker to use this battery. No doubt improved batteries will filter down as time goes on. I can't imagine that the more mainstream cars will get Qilin before Ronin.

It will be crazy of Pear could do 310 and the Ocean only a bit better 340 or so... if they can beat Lucid range for Ocean 2024 models, that would be great selling point.

 

[bankersreo]

By the time the ronin hits the market that battery range will be history. If fisker already bragged about being able to implement new technology in cars quicker than any other car company. No chance ronin gets a 4yr old battery and still able to claim latest and greatest etx

 

[Blu Angel]

@BayouCityBob

vehicle models tend to stick with the cells they are designed around with incremental improvements in packaging.

Absolutely!
CATL will upgrade its battery cell "electrolyte soup" to improve longevity, performance and dendrite prevention

@baydreamer

Ronin will be the first Fisker to use this [new Qilin] battery.

The Qilin battery will be very expensive and thus more amenable
to the higher priced BEV's like the future flagship Fisker Ronin

 

[FiskeredMan]

By the time the ronin hits the market that battery range will be history. If fisker already bragged about being able to implement new technology in cars quicker than any other car company. No chance ronin gets a 4yr old battery and still able to claim latest and greatest etx

Amen!!

 

[bankersreo]

I thought on the most recent earnings call Henrik said something about just why it took longer than originally planned to start making the Ocean because he was finalizing the battery deal with CATL - then CATL announced this new QILIN hyper long range battery. Although it goes into mass production in 2023, it is already in production and cars in China have it, so Its plausible the One will be the first vehicle in US and rest of world to get it, certainly will help them sell 1m vehicles by 2027 and cement their claim to have the longest range and latest technology being implemented faster than any other auto maker

 

[FiskeredMan]

I thought on the most recent earnings call Henrik said something about just why it took longer than originally planned to start making the Ocean because he was finalizing the battery deal with CATL - then CATL announced this new QILIN hyper long range battery. Although it goes into mass production in 2023, it is already in production and cars in China have it, so Its plausible the One will be the first vehicle in US and rest of world to get it, certainly will help them sell 1m vehicles by 2027 and cement their claim to have the longest range and latest technology being implemented faster than any other auto maker

They should do that - makes strategic sense. Also screwing the One owners with the olde battery may cause cognitive dissonance.
Positive surprise with even more range will give Fisker instant ❤ Love in the EV Marketplace!

 

[bankersreo]

It probably will down the line. Fisker has probably already agreed to purchase a certain amount of the current cells from CATL. That could be 50,000 it could be 100,000 or it could be more. Whatever the number is, it's not going to be before that number is met. and CATL has made its return. I expect the Ocean to have the current 2170 cells for at least the next two or three years minimum.

Believe it to be disingenuous for CATL to negotiate with Fisker for batteries, knowing Fisker is making claims to be latest and greatest technology and longest range in class, only to release a new improved battery just 3 months later. They must have all known about this and planned accordingly

 

[BayouCityBob]

Re-reading this thread, "The Qilin Battery will have an energy density of 255 Wh/kg" seems less impressive in light of the teardown data on the new Tesla cells. According to this tear-down analysis, 4680 cells are running 272-296 Wh/kg with headroom to achieve 333 wh/kg.

Tesla's 4680-Type Battery Cell Teardown: Specs Revealed

In the second part of the Tesla 4680-type cylindrical battery cell teardown and analysis, The Limiting Factor presents the initial specs and findings.

insideevs.com

 

[FiskeredMan]

Re-reading this thread, "The Qilin Battery will have an energy density of 255 Wh/kg" seems less impressive in light of the teardown data on the new Tesla cells. According to this tear-down analysis, 4680 cells are running 272-296 Wh/kg with headroom to achieve 333 wh/kg.

Tesla's 4680-Type Battery Cell Teardown: Specs Revealed

In the second part of the Tesla 4680-type cylindrical battery cell teardown and analysis, The Limiting Factor presents the initial specs and findings.

insideevs.com

Cost is a factor too... if Ocean Ultra is to stay below 50K, right?
Maybe they can give an option: 5K upgrade for same form factor but newer battery with more range!

 

[bankersreo]

At 350 miles they wont stay on top for long and at this point its nothing wow. If they want the edge they need to underpromise and overdeliver in regards to the range. At all costs.

 

[FiskeredMan]

At 350 miles they wont stay on top for long and at this point its nothing wow. If they want the edge they need to underpromise and overdeliver in regards to the range. At all costs.

I would love a 450 -500 mile range. But only Lucid offers that - but for 180k$… so, 350 miles, still good for 50k$.
i dont want Fisker to get bankrupt!