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Just noticed the configurator now allows you to change the Trim. A bug, I assume… Is anyone else seeing this?
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And that’s why you will be buying the One. But not everyone is like you. The Model Y is an amazing vehicle. It doesn’t have the most comfortable ride, but it has other benefits that no one brand can offer. My impression of the Y changed 180 after I bought mine new (at a great discount). I hated it before I bought it. I only bought the Mosel Y because I could resell it and pocket about $15,000, but I decided I would keep it once I drove it for a few days.

I know it doesn’t matter to you because you will never consider the Model Y. However, it matters to a few who paid $5,000 for the One because when they put down that deposit, the One cost the same as the Model Y Performance but the One had an extra $7500 in federal tax credit, which the Model Y didn’t have back then. Now the Model Y Performance is about $15,000 cheaper than the One, and both qualify for the same amount in federal tax credit. So, these few folks would rather buy the Model Y Performance today instead of continuing to wait for the One for who knows how long. There you have a few people walking away from their $5,000 non-refundable deposits.

And by the way, the Ocean is absolutely in the same class as the Model Y. Don’t delude yourself that you are buying luxury this or that. The Model Y is not luxury ether, even though a lot of Tesla fanbois believe they own a luxury vehicle, especially when they paid in the $70,000 range for the Model Y Performance last year. The Ocean was even billed as a “Model Y killer” a couple years ago. Ocean and Model Y are direct competitors, and neither one is in the luxury segment.
I still do not agree that TMY is in the same class as FO, the veichles are way different in design. That press or others repeat that still does not make it true for me and many others. Sure, other will compare them.

I did not mention luxury, cause non of these veichles are in that segment.

But from what I have seen the FO is a couple if steps above TMY. Design, range, features is more attractive to me and many others as well.

But, the TMY give you much car for the buck. So if I just needed a veichle and had to choose within that budget, I would propably look at it.
PS: I am not in US so the tax credit is no option.

The TMY Performance is slightly cheaper than FO, but the FO looks so much better in every angle 👍. FO is food for the eye, TMY is not IMO.
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Its interesting how the change in Model Y price has thrown the value equation on its head.
In Canada pricing looks like this
Ocean Ultra $64k (eligible $5k rebate)
Ocean Extreme $89k
Y DM LR $70k (eligible $5k rebate)
Y Performance $76k
Mach-E LR starts $72k
Mach-E E GT Starts at $83k

My opinion, the Mach-E is overpriced. Tesla/Ocean is similar, depends on what you value.

Also my opinion, these 3 vehicles are the same class. Upclass, but not premium, long-ish range EV "SUV"s

It's a slightly different comparison than in the US.
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Its interesting how the change in Model Y price has thrown the value equation on its head.
In Canada pricing looks like this
Ocean Ultra $64k (eligible $5k rebate)
Ocean Extreme $89k
Y DM LR $70k (eligible $5k rebate)
Y Performance $76k
Mach-E LR starts $72k
Mach-E E GT Starts at $83k

My opinion, the Mach-E is overpriced. Tesla/Ocean is similar, depends on what you value.

Also my opinion, these 3 vehicles are the same class. Upclass, but not premium, long-ish range EV "SUV"s

It's a slightly different comparison than in the US.
One constant is the Mach E is overpriced everywhere ;-)
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Now the app shows the configuration of my car as no longer editable…
Let me shed some light on this. $5250 is a fraction of how overpriced the One is in 2023. This was expensive in 2022, and I had to seat myself down and reason with myself before I decided not to pay $5,000 deposit about 11 months ago when I got an invitation to change my reservation to the One. Back then, the EV prices kept going up, but they were already at crazy levels. Even with the insane gas prices this time last year, the insane price of EVs was unsustainable.

Everything changed in early January 2023, but it was already changing gradually starting in the fall of 2022. When the Model Y price dropped by $20,000 overnight, people woke up from their delusions. You can see what’s happening to Lucid. They can’t sell their overpriced cars in same volumes they did last year, and they lowered the prices since then too. I read an article yesterday about Rivian vehicles now taking 2 weeks from order to delivery in some markets. It’s only on a limited number of configurations, but it’s already happening. I myself have an R1S reservation, and I was invited to a test drive last week and completed it early this week. I wouldn’t be surprised if I got an invitation to the Rivian shop any day now. What happened to the 3-year wait? Where are all those people who reserved before me? My Rivian reservation isn’t even 1 year old yet. I’ll tell you what happened. People don’t want to be bying $100,000 trucks, driving them off the lot and losing thousands of dollars immediately. They wanted to buy their Riviams, drive them off the lot, and immediately resell them for $20,000 more. It ain’t happening.

The One at $69,000 is a tough sell. It was tough for me to justify its price a year ago, but in todays’s market, it simply doesn’t make sense. At all. So, I’m not surprised that a few people here and there are waking away from their $5,250 deposits. It’s not only the Ocean One price that doesn’t make sense. The overpriced Mach Es, the somewhat overpriced ID.4s, etc. None of them make sense. None of them are in the luxury segment that would have enough people with the cash to pay for the badge. The BMWs, the Mercedes, and the Audis can continue to sell at insane markups just because of the old money that have brand loyalty and only buy the EVs from the luxury brands they have been buying from all their lives. I’ve met these guys in their 70s and 80s driving EVs that cost around $150,000. They love them. They hate Teslas. The premium they paid didn’t matter to them. They are filthy rich.

Neither the Model Y nor the Ocean is in this category of vehicles. The Model Y and the Ocean compete with the ID.4, the Mach E, the IONIQ5, etc. For the wallets of middle-class people. That’s where the price comparison happens. Selling small SUVs in this class in the $60,000 range after the federal tax credit is not easy in 2023. I could walk away from the One reservation, buy a Model Y Performance, and still end up with paying $13,000 less. And I can drive a new Model Y performance tomorrow if I order it today. There is no wait.
That's a very US centric view.

In the UK the Ocean Extreme is actually slightly cheaper than the Model Y performance when you have broadly equivalent spec.

The model Y gives you more space and access to the Tesla chargers, the Ocean gives you longer range, exclusivity and probably a better ride.
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That's a very US centric view.

In the UK the Ocean Extreme is actually slightly cheaper than the Model Y performance when you have broadly equivalent spec.

The model Y gives you more space and access to the Tesla chargers, the Ocean gives you longer range, exclusivity and probably a better ride.
Thanks for the note on this. Just did a quick look at TMY in UK. Ocean is basically the same price. In the US Model Y is $15k less and in Germany it is 10k Euros less. (Model Y performance vs Ocean XT). Seems like Ocean is an especially good value in UK.
That's a very US centric view.

In the UK the Ocean Extreme is actually slightly cheaper than the Model Y performance when you have broadly equivalent spec.

The model Y gives you more space and access to the Tesla chargers, the Ocean gives you longer range, exclusivity and probably a better ride.
Why shouldn’t I have a very US centric view? Both companies are American and so am I.
Tesla just raised prices this week so the Ocean just became more “economical” again.


Methinks mr musk ain’t done yet….
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Tesla just raised prices this week so the Ocean just became more “economical” again.

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Methinks mr musk ain’t done yet….
By $250 on Model Y
By $250 on Model Y
But its the second price increase in 2 weeks.
He’s going to keep popping it up $250, $500, $1000 until the market pushes back.
Death by a thousand paper cuts.
Methinks mr musk ain’t done yet….
I think Zach Kirikhorn is the puppet master behind the pricing decisions.
Why shouldn’t I have a very US centric view? Both companies are American and so am I.
Nothing is wrong with you having a US centric view. I'm just pointing that fact out.
Thanks for the note on this. Just did a quick look at TMY in UK. Ocean is basically the same price. In the US Model Y is $15k less and in Germany it is 10k Euros less. (Model Y performance vs Ocean XT). Seems like Ocean is an especially good value in UK.
Actually, you could probably argue that Tesla's are over-priced in the UK compared to everywhere else...
Hmm. So I changed my Sport to a One to see what would happen and it’s there and says no longer able to edit so I can’t change it back.
Welcome to the ONE family brother! :)
Welcome to the ONE family brother! :)
Let’s see if we’re really in the One family, or if it was a glitch and they’ll change it back…
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Let’s see if we’re really in the One family, or if it was a glitch and they’ll change it back…
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Hope so! I was disappointed when I reserved that the One was sold out… so if this is true, I’ll be happy… of course, maybe it’s also a bad sign that they’ve had cancellations?
I still can edit mine. Now have a Blue Planet with tow hitch configured. Wonder if it will stay. Wish the Orange was available.
Let me shed some light on this. $5250 is a fraction of how overpriced the One is in 2023. This was expensive in 2022, and I had to seat myself down and reason with myself before I decided not to pay $5,000 deposit about 11 months ago when I got an invitation to change my reservation to the One. Back then, the EV prices kept going up, but they were already at crazy levels. Even with the insane gas prices this time last year, the insane price of EVs was unsustainable.

Everything changed in early January 2023, but it was already changing gradually starting in the fall of 2022. When the Model Y price dropped by $20,000 overnight, people woke up from their delusions. You can see what’s happening to Lucid. They can’t sell their overpriced cars in same volumes they did last year, and they lowered the prices since then too. I read an article yesterday about Rivian vehicles now taking 2 weeks from order to delivery in some markets. It’s only on a limited number of configurations, but it’s already happening. I myself have an R1S reservation, and I was invited to a test drive last week and completed it early this week. I wouldn’t be surprised if I got an invitation to the Rivian shop any day now. What happened to the 3-year wait? Where are all those people who reserved before me? My Rivian reservation isn’t even 1 year old yet. I’ll tell you what happened. People don’t want to be bying $100,000 trucks, driving them off the lot and losing thousands of dollars immediately. They wanted to buy their Riviams, drive them off the lot, and immediately resell them for $20,000 more. It ain’t happening.

The One at $69,000 is a tough sell. It was tough for me to justify its price a year ago, but in todays’s market, it simply doesn’t make sense. At all. So, I’m not surprised that a few people here and there are waking away from their $5,250 deposits. It’s not only the Ocean One price that doesn’t make sense. The overpriced Mach Es, the somewhat overpriced ID.4s, etc. None of them make sense. None of them are in the luxury segment that would have enough people with the cash to pay for the badge. The BMWs, the Mercedes, and the Audis can continue to sell at insane markups just because of the old money that have brand loyalty and only buy the EVs from the luxury brands they have been buying from all their lives. I’ve met these guys in their 70s and 80s driving EVs that cost around $150,000. They love them. They hate Teslas. The premium they paid didn’t matter to them. They are filthy rich.

Neither the Model Y nor the Ocean is in this category of vehicles. The Model Y and the Ocean compete with the ID.4, the Mach E, the IONIQ5, etc. For the wallets of middle-class people. That’s where the price comparison happens. Selling small SUVs in this class in the $60,000 range after the federal tax credit is not easy in 2023. I could walk away from the One reservation, buy a Model Y Performance, and still end up with paying $13,000 less. And I can drive a new Model Y performance tomorrow if I order it today. There is no wait.
Yeah, this is basically why I backed out. The Ionic 5 and 6 are other examples that are just far too overpriced. Once you factor in the lack of rebate and the dealer markups, the price is very hard to stomach. Sure some will sell to people that want something other than a Tesla. But these will never be mass-market vehicles. I mean not even the Bolt became mass market and that cost about ~26k minus rebates. The range is too low (for America) and it charges too slow as well. If we can get our act together with the charging network, and also release some sub 30k vehicles with decent range, we will get mass adoption. I fear battery chemistry has to improve before that happens though.
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