[crider1]

I know why you like Z8 and DB9
Maybe Ocean will be the next James Bond vehicle, or Ronin.

Correction: I've always loved the design of the Z8 as well as the DB9, which by default makes me a HF and James Bond fan.

 

[MrStuff]

exacerbated by Fisker keeping the specs and features hidden four months after SOP.

Yep, definitely this.

I really like what we have seen of the Ocean (with a few minor points) and I really want it to be successful.

However, I don't understand why they are being so secretive about the specs and hiding behind "homologation" or "giving away info to competitors". Even if some data needs to be ratified by homologation, there's nothing to stop them releasing preliminary figures (they have for acceleration, range etc. why not everything else?), and surely they are so close to delivering cars and there is so much information shared unofficially that I don't see what else a competitor could learn now that would make a difference.

The only reason I can see for them keeping so secretive is if Fisker are trying to hide something from their customers (and possibly shareholders). There is something they don't want their customers to know yet. I fear that means that there are some significant customer expectations that they are not going to meet and they fear cancellations. It would be strange if they are hiding good news - they were only too keen to share a teaser of possibly higher range figures - why would they not want to drive up their number of deposit holders by confirming specs on what should be a great vehicle for the money?

I really hope this is not the case, and there is some other explanation I'm not seeing.

(I am not a shareholder, nor a shorter, but an Extreme deposit holder really hoping this will work out but not fully confident.)

 

[BayouCityBob]

What do you mean. The Polestar 1 is basically an exotic coupe edition of the Volvo 90 series (SPA platform). The Polestar 2 is a cope edition of Volvo XC40 (CMA platform). The 3 is same as new Volvo platform as well.



Polestar is not Volvo and Volvo is not Polestar or Geely either. Polestar 1 and 2 used Volvos drivetrain and 1 was contract manufactured by Volvo on the Chengdu factory who also manufactured the S90 sister model. Same with Polestar, manufactured in the Volvo Luqiano Plant that also manufactured XC40.

Volvo/Polestar/Zeeker/Lotus are like Chevy/Buick/Cadillac They are separate business lines but all controlled by Li Shufu who still personally owns a controlling/majority interest in all. (Unlike, say, Musk who only owns ~13% of Tesla.)

 

[ocsteve39]

Yep, definitely this.

I really like what we have seen of the Ocean (with a few minor points) and I really want it to be successful.

However, I don't understand why they are being so secretive about the specs and hiding behind "homologation" or "giving away info to competitors". Even if some data needs to be ratified by homologation, there's nothing to stop them releasing preliminary figures (they have for acceleration, range etc. why not everything else?), and surely they are so close to delivering cars and there is so much information shared unofficially that I don't see what else a competitor could learn now that would make a difference.

The only reason I can see for them keeping so secretive is if Fisker are trying to hide something from their customers (and possibly shareholders). There is something they don't want their customers to know yet. I fear that means that there are some significant customer expectations that they are not going to meet and they fear cancellations. It would be strange if they are hiding good news - they were only too keen to share a teaser of possibly higher range figures - why would they not want to drive up their number of deposit holders by confirming specs on what should be a great vehicle for the money?

I really hope this is not the case, and there is some other explanation I'm not seeing.

(I am not a shareholder, nor a shorter, but an Extreme deposit holder really hoping this will work out but not fully confident.)

Get some sun.
Touch the grass.

 

[MrStuff]

Get some sun.
Touch the grass.

It's been snowy here the last week...

 

[littlebittyrose63]

Yep, definitely this.

I really like what we have seen of the Ocean (with a few minor points) and I really want it to be successful.

However, I don't understand why they are being so secretive about the specs and hiding behind "homologation" or "giving away info to competitors". Even if some data needs to be ratified by homologation, there's nothing to stop them releasing preliminary figures (they have for acceleration, range etc. why not everything else?), and surely they are so close to delivering cars and there is so much information shared unofficially that I don't see what else a competitor could learn now that would make a difference.

The only reason I can see for them keeping so secretive is if Fisker are trying to hide something from their customers (and possibly shareholders). There is something they don't want their customers to know yet. I fear that means that there are some significant customer expectations that they are not going to meet and they fear cancellations. It would be strange if they are hiding good news - they were only too keen to share a teaser of possibly higher range figures - why would they not want to drive up their number of deposit holders by confirming specs on what should be a great vehicle for the money?

I really hope this is not the case, and there is some other explanation I'm not seeing.

(I am not a shareholder, nor a shorter, but an Extreme deposit holder really hoping this will work out but not fully confident.)

You don't have to worry. Fisker and his company know what they are doing. Relax

 

[littlebittyrose63]

You don't have to worry. Fisker and his company know what they are doing. Relax

Yep. Typical of a Musk fan boy. Thanks for confirming it!

 

[phantomblot]

You don't have to worry. Fisker and his company know what they are doing. Relax

Yeah, we really would like to see some actual proof of this. By some mysterious series of events and conditions, not one person not bound by commercial connections to Fisker Inc has had the chance to report on seeing or testing a production vehicle. And we are four months into production. The same goes for specifications and features.

Are you able to somehow sympathise or empathise with people who finds this much more likely that Fisker does not know what they are doing?

 

[ocsteve39]

It's been snowy here the last week...

Build a snowman, make a snow angel, crack some booze.

 

[ocsteve39]

Yeah, we really would like to see some actual proof of this. By some mysterious series of events and conditions, not one person not bound by commercial connections to Fisker Inc has had the chance to report on seeing or testing a production vehicle. And we are four months into production. The same goes for specifications and features.

Are you able to somehow sympathise or empathise with people who finds this much more likely that Fisker does not know what they are doing?

We do sympathise and also empathise for your self destructive behavior where you invite scorn.
We care, man.

 

[Dark-Fx]

Yeah, we really would like to see some actual proof of this. By some mysterious series of events and conditions, not one person not bound by commercial connections to Fisker Inc has had the chance to report on seeing or testing a production vehicle. And we are four months into production. The same goes for specifications and features.

Are you able to somehow sympathise or empathise with people who finds this much more likely that Fisker does not know what they are doing?

The Homologation Boogeyman.

 

[phantomblot]

The Homologation Boogeyman.

So why is this so much more difficult for Fisker than others? There is nothing new in this vehicle other than the digital radar. Did they put in equipment in their car that did not come with approval documentation? Or did actually the "it is basically like updating an app, like in a phone" attitude come back and bite them?

 

[Dark-Fx]

So why is this so much more difficult for Fisker than others? There is nothing new in this vehicle other than the digital radar. Did they put in equipment in their car that did not come with approval documentation? Or did actually the "it is basically like updating an app, like in a phone" attitude come back and bite them?

After sitting in front row of how Rivian's SOP went, this doesn't feel all that much different besides that Rivian seemed to be better prepared with all of the compliance issues surrounding their launch. The difference is Rivian only launched in one country and they took around a year before launching in Canada.

Fisker has a lot of work to do to launch in so many places in their first year and I suspect they got in over their heads on it. A few months delay isn't a big enough cause for concern in my opinion. If we still haven't seen deliveries by June, then for sure that is definitely something to be concerned about.

GM has been bungling their Ultium EV launches way worse than anyone should expect from a legacy manufacturer. They have been discovering some pretty major issues within the first year population of vehicles. A lot of them have nothing to do with it being an EV. If Fisker does at least that well, I'll be happy about the Ocean launch overall.

 

[ocsteve39]

So why is this so much more difficult for Fisker than others? There is nothing new in this vehicle other than the digital radar. Did they put in equipment in their car that did not come with approval documentation? Or did actually the "it is basically like updating an app, like in a phone" attitude come back and bite them?

It's basically, you don't know all of the surprises in this vehicle, like the rest of us.
The difference is we don't share your gloomy take where you seem to believe the same thing on Friday no matter what happens on Tuesday.
It eats away, not only at your credibility, but our last nerve (I know that's the point).
I am interested though, in the bye, before the SuperBowl, were you in doubt the game would actually air, because it's not ON today?

 

[Dark-Fx]

And if it really is just compliance issues and software, there is nothing preventing them from producing the vehicles as they are and letting them sit in a parking lot somewhere.

PS, anyone live near Magna-Steyr?

 

[phantomblot]

Fisker has a lot of work to do to launch in so many places in their first year and I suspect they got in over their heads on it.

They basically launch in two countries. In EU you get compliance in one country, then that is valid in all EU + EEC countries. No one does type approval in Norway, so we don't even have any governmental agencies handling this.

 

[littlebittyrose63]

You don't have to worry. Fisker and his company know what they are doing. Relax

After sitting in front row of how Rivian's SOP went, this doesn't feel all that much different besides that Rivian seemed to be better prepared with all of the compliance issues surrounding their launch. The difference is Rivian only launched in one country and they took around a year before launching in Canada.

Fisker has a lot of work to do to launch in so many places in their first year and I suspect they got in over their heads on it. A few months delay isn't a big enough cause for concern in my opinion. If we still haven't seen deliveries by June, then for sure that is definitely something to be concerned about.

GM has been bungling their Ultium EV launches way worse than anyone should expect from a legacy manufacturer. They have been discovering some pretty major issues within the first year population of vehicles. A lot of them have nothing to do with it being an EV. If Fisker does at least that well, I'll be happy about the Ocean launch overall.

Yep!

 

[ocsteve39]

They basically launch in two countries. In EU you get compliance in one country, then that is valid in all EU + EEC countries. No one does type approval in Norway, so we don't even have any governmental agencies handling this.

Sorry Canada, you don't get to be a country anymore.

 

[phantomblot]

PS, anyone live near Magna-Steyr?

That would be a good idea! A lot of the car lots in Graz are visible from the outside.

 

[phantomblot]

Sorry Canada, you don't get to be a country anymore.

Ohh, did Canada get to be a launch country?