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This is sooo bad. You know the last time Hyundai did this exact same thing: show the vehicle but hide the range? When Genesis was introducing the pathetic 235 mile range AWD GV70. This is such a bad sign. C'mon Kia, get us a 100kw pack and 300 mile RWD at least.
 

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Have never really considered anything but the Ocean as my first EV. Got a really sour taste from KIA a couple of years ago while shopping for my wive's SUV. Local KIA dealers were up-charging (above MSRP) Tellurides by nearly $15k in some places. I have vowed to never again set foot in a dealer, especially a KIA.
 

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This is your time to geh back at them. Take notice of how filled their lots are, and when they start getting full, their managers are pushing for sales.
Their lots can stay full. Honestly, the experience as a whole is awful. Once you decide to buy at whatever price, then the upselling of services and add-ons begins, whether it is done by the sales guys or the finance guy. Literally buyers should be in and out of dealer in less than an hour, if not for the the dealer people trying to nickle and dime you.
 

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Their lots can stay full. Honestly, the experience as a whole is awful. Once you decide to buy at whatever price, then the upselling of services and add-ons begins, whether it is done by the sales guys or the finance guy. Literally buyers should be in and out of dealer in less than an hour, if not for the the dealer people trying to nickle and dime you.
Now that would be nice instead of the epic time it takes when you are at a de
Their lots can stay full. Honestly, the experience as a whole is awful. Once you decide to buy at whatever price, then the upselling of services and add-ons begins, whether it is done by the sales guys or the finance guy. Literally buyers should be in and out of dealer in less than an hour, if not for the the dealer people trying to nickle and dime you.
Now that would be nice instead of the epic time it takes at a dealership!
 

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If you are concerned about price as your main EV purchase then Fisker is not for you. Fisker is a premium brand that wants to compete with Tesla/MB/BMW etc. Kia and Hyundai are not that type of brand. Spend your money however you want.
 

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If you are concerned about price as your main EV purchase then Fisker is not for you. Fisker is a premium brand that wants to compete with Tesla/MB/BMW etc. Kia and Hyundai are not that type of brand. Spend your money however you want.
I would not go as far as that. Premium, ha ha ha .. nope. I'd say from what I've seen, Mid level. Not the BMW , Mercedes, not even Polestar. You want premiums or as Herick says extreme luxury... You got to pay alot more. I was so disappointed with what's we've seen expecting premium. Now at best you are looking at Kia/Hyundai level and price reflects that. Now I'm happier as I know I ain't getting premium for mid level price.

Bang for bucks the Ocean is still the best... But let's not compare to the ipace interior quality... Because it ain't that. When you go premium you think ventilated seats, air dampeners, leather, less plastic etc. Etc.
 

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I would not go as far as that. Premium, ha ha ha .. nope. I'd say from what I've seen, Mid level. Not the BMW , Mercedes, not even Polestar. You want premiums or as Herick says extreme luxury... You got to pay alot more. I was so disappointed with what's we've seen expecting premium. Now at best you are looking at Kia/Hyundai level and price reflects that. Now I'm happier as I know I ain't getting premium for mid level price.

Bang for bucks the Ocean is still the best... But let's not compare to the ipace interior quality... Because it ain't that. When you go premium you think ventilated seats, air dampeners, leather, less plastic etc. Etc.
That's what Fisker is targeting, not my personal thoughts. That is what he has branded online.
 

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That's what Fisker is targeting, not my personal thoughts. That is what he has branded online.
I know... That why he keeps talking about extreme luxury and state of the art Electronics that are only max a year out of date. Similar to some of the nonsense he was talking about solid state batteries he was going to bring out!

The RONIN may be luxury car and the price will reflect but Ocean is a good car but luxury in the German sense it is not. Obviously he will tell you something else... But by all the evidence we have... Nope it's not a luxury car. Sure people will agree. They'll tell you how do you define luxury etc etc. All I'll say is I define Luxury as the Germans do. I may not be able to explain it but I know it when I see it... And Ocean ain't that!
 

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I know... That why he keeps talking about extreme luxury and state of the art Electronics that are only max a year out of date. Similar to some of the nonsense he was talking about solid state batteries he was going to bring out!

The RONIN may be luxury car and the price will reflect but Ocean is a good car but luxury in the German sense it is not. Obviously he will tell you something else... But by all the evidence we have... Nope it's not a luxury car. Sure people will agree. They'll tell you how do you define luxury etc etc. All I'll say is I define Luxury as the Germans do. I may not be able to explain it but I know it when I see it... And Ocean ain't that!
It's Danish luxury :cool:
 

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As someone on Facebook noted, the Ocean is not your grandparents definition of luxury, but it is your grandchildren鈥檚 definition of luxury.
Yeah, Luxury now days seems to be Scandanavian minimalist, with a big screen, the car doing autopilot, and lots of cool software features.

Henriks says the Ocean can be sports car and also drive like a luxury vehicle 馃檹
 

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Sooo the EV9 looks pretty damn good in the unfeeling unveiling today
Yeah I really like it! :love: Bold muscular exterior with some neat rear swivel seats are an interesting touch.
Definitely gunna be a contender for an upgrade from my wifes' current 21' Telluride SX Prestige.

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