The AC charging rate has not been announced yet. I'm guessing probably in the 40-48A (9.6 - 11.5 kW) ballpark.Does anyone know the charging rate for the Ultra?
For a complete analysis of chargers check out the blog, State of Charge, with Tom Malogny.Maybe we can get a thread going about garage chargers.
Here are a few. Perhaps some members with experience with these chargers, or others, can comment.
Installation, use, complaints, praise, etc.
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I love my ChargePoint Home Flex (14-50, hardwired). I installed a 60A breaker and wired it up myself. I have it set to 48A. I can dial it up to 50A but then I’d have to install a 70A breaker and thicker wiring which does not even fit the charger’s terminals. I’m OK with that 2A being wasted.
I love the concept of V2H, and potentially not having to drag my gas powered generator out when we lose power. That said, if I recall correctly, Ford’s V2H add-on adds a pretty significant amount…I think $1,500-2,000ish? I already have the genset infrastructure, so will probably just do a standard L2 charger.As the Ocean will have vehicle-to-home capability, is anyone considering a bi-directional charger?
The Ford solution is super heavy duty at 80A. $1310 for the EVSE. The "Home integration system" hardware by Sunrun is $3895. No price for installation on the website. EV Charging | Intelligent Backup Power | Solar Energy System | FORD F-150 LIGHTNING™ | SunrunI love the concept of V2H, and potentially not having to drag my gas powered generator out when we lose power. That said, if I recall correctly, Ford’s V2H add-on adds a pretty significant amount…I think $1,500-2,000ish? I already have the genset infrastructure, so will probably just do a standard L2 charger.
The only one I am aware of is the Wallbox Quasar 2. For now it is just for Europe but they did mention making a U.S. version. The European version is about $4k, not cheap, and you would need automatic transfer switch installed so that probably adds a couple grand but it the end still much cheaper than a Tesla Powerwall. Ideally, the charger should have or be hooked up to a small battery pack so that it can keep the power on in case of a blackout until you can connect the car (or stay powered while you run to a fast charger to top off the battery).The Ford solution is super heavy duty at 80A. $1310 for the EVSE. The "Home integration system" hardware by Sunrun is $3895. No price for installation on the website. EV Charging | Intelligent Backup Power | Solar Energy System | FORD F-150 LIGHTNING™ | Sunrun
I'm not aware of any other V2H EVSE setups - I'm sure there must be some. I guess I will have to investigate.
Yes. In fact that is one of the main reasons I am interested in the Ultra. And i hope there will be more options and an evolution until 2024. All I know currently is that German open source-manufacturer OpenWB (only in German language) is offering payable bi-directional charging. But at least here it does not only depend on the wallbox, but also how it interacts with the car. And even if that works, it starts to get complicated with the power companies and tax dept getting involved.As the Ocean will have vehicle-to-home capability, is anyone considering a bi-directional charger?
Is the OpenWB Pro a bi-directional charger? I thought bi-directional chargers needed to have CCS connectors as they charge DC and not AC (maybe that could be just in North America). I think it will be some time before V2H makes sense but it's nice to be future-ready. It always bothered me that my solar produces DC power only to have it converted to AC and then the car converting back to DC. I can't imagine how much energy loss over the years going DC-->AC-->DC; it would be nice just to have direct DC from solar right to the car!Yes. In fact that is one of the main reasons I am interested in the Ultra. And i hope there will be more options and an evolution until 2024. All I know currently is that German open source-manufacturer OpenWB (only in German language) is offering payable bi-directional charging. But at least here it does not only depend on the wallbox, but also how it interacts with the car. And even if that works, it starts to get complicated with the power companies and tax dept getting involved.