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Hi, all. My family re-settled in New Jersey about a year ago--previously we lived in Boston and, before that my wife and I met and lived in Los Angeles. I've definitely spent a lot of time in the car. Never had too much money, but I always tried to get the best car for the money (criteria subject to change, of course), so I've owned or leased a Honda Civic, a Volkswagen Jetta, a Mazda 3, a Toyota Camry, and most recently a Prius c and a Honda CR-V EX, both of which are a few years old.

The CR-V is probably my favorite car to date. It was the first SUV I'd had, and the first to incorporate some helpful safety features, as well as CarPlay. It's not a flashy car, but the EX package basically made this as much car as I thought anyone ever needed for the money. That said, it's not the quietest ride, and even when I bought it--despite industry-leading mileage for its class--I didn't love that it was a step-down in mileage from a Camry and especially the Prius c (roughly half the mileage). But with some after-market tires and my iPhone running the head unit, I've never been happier with just about every other aspect of a vehicle, so it is the first one I've ever owned for this long, over 5 years now.

Like many people, it's hard to picture not driving an SUV anymore, so it's no surprise that the surge in EV production is riding on the SUV platform. I test-drove a Model S a few years ago and enjoyed it well enough, but the value proposition was obviously not there (and, honestly, the lack of CarPlay seemed like a bit of a non-starter after becoming so accustomed to it). I was curious about the Model X when it debuted, but it still was not for me. I couldn't see my way to spending 3x what I did on the CR-V, especially when Tesla was still establishing itself.

We recently had solar panels installed and decided to forgo the still-expensive battery backups. So, between the recent influx of EV crossovers and compact SUVs, with a handful of models that feature bidirectional charging, and the prices now beginning to dip into the $30-40k entry level range, I've been paying more attention to the EV scene.

I think I first started getting the itch to switch when I saw the first wave Mustang Mach-E publicity. The Premium trim got my attention, but ultimately I couldn't justify the cost of one of those specced the way I would want it (about $66k). If someone was going to gift me this or a Model Y, I'd go for the Mach-E Premium, even with the more limited range, but this price really isn't an improvement over the Model Y, and there wasn't enough about the car to make me consider finding a way to spend that much on a new car I didn't strictly need.

The fact is, I thought I was being extravagant buying a CR-V EX in 2017 for about $26k, so paying more than twice that when I have only about 45k miles on it and still enjoy it (again, it could be quieter, and I don't love only getting about 27.2 MPG avg.), so I need to be a lot more motivated to switch vehicles. Keeping in mind that I'd probably not be willing to buy unless the car I wanted qualified for the $7.5k tax credit (and yay to NJ for no sales tax on EVs), I decided I was willing to pull the trigger on an eSUV if I could get really excited about it and it cost no more than twice what I paid for the CR-V (before incentives, etc.).

This is around the time that the we started hearing about the Toyota/Subaru models and the Kia EV6, so I was starting to think this would be achievable within the year. I'm lukewarm on the Toyota/Subaru models at the moment, though still interested, given the pricing. And after test-driving a sleek, quiet EV6 Wind (turns out that I never realized how noisy my CR-V is relative to a car like this one), I'm open to that one, which tops out right at $54k, but not while dealers are marking that vehicle up by several thousand dollars. I remain open to this particular car, but with the stance car dealers have taken toward electric vehicles since the beginning, and with all these mark-ups, I'm kinda sour on the dealer business model anyway, and more willing to consider buying direct, even with a new brand, despite the potential drawbacks.

Enter the Fisker Ocean. At first sight, the Ocean feels special. The Ocean Ultra would be my first car with the practicality of an SUV, the performance of a sporty higher-end car, and a vegan interior (wife and I have been vegan 20 years), all at a price point that puts it within my budget. Obviously the entry level model got my attention, but it was clear that the Ultra would be a similar value proposition (relatively speaking) to the CR-V EX, providing all the most desirable features at a price that was still within the realm of reason for me. While I would absolutely love a rotating screen and think it would be nifty that have rooftop solar panels topping up my battery, I haven't found those or any other distinguishing features to justify this not-wealthy dude plonking down another $19k. So I reserved myself an Ultra and I'm hoping I don't get too envious about those missing features down the line. :p

I'm not a patient person, but I do want to save up and put down as much as possible on this car. I've gotten hooked on not having any car payments. So, in a way it's good that I am unlikely to be able to actually get my hands on this thing for another year. I am excited about this reservation and looking forward to actually getting a chance to spend some time with the car while I wait, to make sure I haven't made a foolish decision.

While I'm waiting, if anyone who has read this far (haha) has any leads on a legal way to pad my savings account with another $19k so I can switch my reservation to an Extreme Launch edition, I'm all ears. ;-)
 

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Welcome. Thanks for giving a detailed backstory of your car ownership and future car decisions. I've been driving EV for ten years now. I don't plan on ever buying another ICE car again.

Have you looked at the VW ID.4? They are transitioning to production in TN this summer and supposedly there will be a reduction in price due to being made in the US now. I test drove a RWD model and it was very decent. Considering the base model is about $34,500 after tax credit - the US made one may be $30k. Of course the Ocean Sport is around the same price range, but will not be available until after the other trims come out. It's exciting that more relatively affordable long range EVs are starting to come out.
 
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Welcome, neighbor. I live in a burb of Philly and go to NJ quite a bit in warmer weather. This is a fun community of Fisker fans. I haven't reserved one yet (waiting for a road test and safety review), but if it takes much longer, I may have to pull the trigger and hope for the best. I'm interested in the Extreme mainly because of the features Intelligent Pilot will have (the lesser versions will be a bit stripped down).
 

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Welcome. Thanks for giving a detailed backstory of your car ownership and future car decisions. I've been driving EV for ten years now. I don't plan on ever buying another ICE car again.

Have you looked at the VW ID.4? They are transitioning to production in TN this summer and supposedly there will be a reduction in price due to being made in the US now. I test drove a RWD model and it was very decent. Considering the base model is about $34,500 after tax credit - the US made one may be $30k. Of course the Ocean Sport is around the same price range, but will not be available until after the other trims come out. It's exciting that more relatively affordable long range EVs are starting to come out.
My recollection is that the VWs have more limited range and that you can’t find them without leather, but I’d have to recheck my notes.
 

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My recollection is that the VWs have more limited range and that you can’t find them without leather, but I’d have to recheck my notes.
Pro has fabric, Pro S has leatherette (polyurethane), Pro. Range is 260 for Pro RWD, 250 for Pro S RWD, 249 for Pro AWD, 240 for Pro S AWD. Similar to the Mach-E (224-303)/Ioniq 5 (220-303)/EV6 (232-310).
 

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Pro has fabric, Pro S has leatherette (polyurethane), Pro. Range is 260 for Pro RWD, 250 for Pro S RWD, 249 for Pro AWD, 240 for Pro S AWD. Similar to the Mach-E (224-303)/Ioniq 5 (220-303)/EV6 (232-310).
Leather-wrapped steering wheel is genuine leather. I did notice that the 2022 range has been bumped to 280, which is nice, though still no heat pump. Were it not for the leather, I’d check it out. That is definitely a nice price.
 

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welcome to the Oceanforums
test-driving a sleek, quiet EV6 Wind (turns out that I never realized how noisy my CR-V is relative to a car like this one
Kudos to that!
best EV feature is the quietness, smooth ridin, sublime acceleration!

legal way to pad my savings account with another $19k
best bet is to stop driving…probably save $50-$100 bucks a week!
 

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welcome to the Oceanforums

Kudos to that!
best EV feature is the quietness, smooth ridin, sublime acceleration!


best bet is to stop driving…probably save $50-$100 bucks a week!
I actually don’t drive much; maybe 5,000 mi year. Pretty sure any other “sacrifice” I could make to reallocate money wouldn’t be worth the $19,000 premium. “Nice to have” is a great category, but I don’t think I’m willing to pay more than $6-8k above the price of the Ultra for the Extreme/One Launch exclusives.
 

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Welcome from another Jersey resident! i’m also waiting for an Ocean because it looks like a really fun car with a great promised range. However, how did you reserve an Ultra? I placed my reservation in the app, and it never asked me to pick a trim!

Also, I can also second the recommendation to take a look at the VW… we picked up an ID.4 AWD last Fall and love it! The thing about the Germans is they have always been conservative with understating horsepower, and have carried that over into the EV world by understating range numbers. My ID.4 easily meets its window sticker (240 miles) in the middle of winter, even without a heat pump, and is currently predicting a total range of over 280 miles based on local driving up and down hills in good weather. They have raised the numbers for 2022 but they’re still easily achievable - maybe they now use the “spring/fall” range :) (No mechanical changes to the 2022 cars)
See a fair comparison of real world range like Edmunds has done and you’ll see what I’m talking about … also how much one brand (ahem, Tesla) has always overstated their ranges!
 

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Welcome from another Jersey resident! i’m also waiting for an Ocean because it looks like a really fun car with a great promised range. However, how did you reserve an Ultra? I placed my reservation in the app, and it never asked me to pick a trim!

Also, I can also second the recommendation to take a look at the VW… we picked up an ID.4 AWD last Fall and love it! The thing about the Germans is they have always been conservative with understating horsepower, and have carried that over into the EV world by understating range numbers. My ID.4 easily meets its window sticker (240 miles) in the middle of winter, even without a heat pump, and is currently predicting a total range of over 280 miles based on local driving up and down hills in good weather. They have raised the numbers for 2022 but they’re still easily achievable - maybe they now use the “spring/fall” range :) (No mechanical changes to the 2022 cars)
See a fair comparison of real world range like Edmunds has done and you’ll see what I’m talking about … also how much one brand (ahem, Tesla) has always overstated their ranges!
Honestly, the only thing I remember about the reservation process was that I selected the Ultra trim and did what minimal configuration I could before choosing to reserve. At the time, I believe that reserved an Ultra for me, but later I came to discover that you specify a trim later when they reach out to confirm your reservation.

We ended up buying an EV6 in the meantime. I have this recollection that VW uses leather in the ID4, so that would not be an option for us.
 

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We ended up buying an EV6 in the meantime. I have this recollection that VW uses leather in the ID4, so that would not be an option for us.
Congrats on the EV6! VW does use leather on the steering wheel but the entire rest of the car's interior is vegan (aka vinyl). And they do a really nice, high-quality vinyl that I prefer to real leather; it lasts much better and is more durable. VW has said they will be replacing the leather in the wheels with a synthetic once they get the capacitive wheel to work without leather. (The reason they use leather on the wheel is it has a capacitive sensor surface to detect your presence when you're using the self-driving features so you don't need to apply force the wheel periodically, like you do in a Tesla or Ford. Not sure about Hyundai/Kia system...)
 

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Congrats on the EV6! VW does use leather on the steering wheel but the entire rest of the car's interior is vegan (aka vinyl). And they do a really nice, high-quality vinyl that I prefer to real leather; it lasts much better and is more durable. VW has said they will be replacing the leather in the wheels with a synthetic once they get the capacitive wheel to work without leather. (The reason they use leather on the wheel is it has a capacitive sensor surface to detect your presence when you're using the self-driving features so you don't need to apply force the wheel periodically, like you do in a Tesla or Ford. Not sure about Hyundai/Kia system...)
Good to know they are actively working on moving away from that. I don’t know what the EV6 uses, but I would assume it is also capacitive, based on when it bugs me to put my hands on the wheel. Theirs is a fully vegan interior, according to their marketing anyway. I’ll keep my eye out for news from VW that the have done away with the leather-wrapped steering wheel, though. I always enjoyed the one VW I drove for a couple years (a 2000 Jetta) and it would be nice to be able to consider another make when back in the market again. Meantime, unless something important remains to be desired with the Fisker Ocean, I’m pretty keen on switching to this and selling the EV6 or passing that along to my wife, if she’s willing to drive it.*

*She finds it a little too complicated, and I agree that certain tech features are a little too finicky, especially the inconsistency of what is automated and what isn’t, switching back and forth between climate controls and media (CarPlay) and how easy it is to accidentally switch to climate controls when you are adjusting the volume, and figuring out how to start charging when you have a 3.5 year old to contend with, which is like having to remember a magical incancantation if you don’t go straight from turning off the car to opening up the charging port cover and plugging in the charging cable before holding down the charging button.
 

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Yeah, they’ve promised a fully vegan interior starting with the ID.Buzz van, which is already under production, so presumably they’ve found a supplier for a capacitive wheel. Interesting reaction to the EV6. Folks tend to complain about the infotainment in the ID.4, but it’s mainly that it’s a little slow when you first turn it on - but once it boots up, it’s fine. And it’s very simple (large icons, usable voice controls).
I plan to keep the ID.4 and trade my gas car for the Ocean … the longer range of the Ocean should solve those corner cases (like day trips to the Catskills to ski) that I had been keeping the gas car for anyway… we use the EV for almost everything and I haven’t bought gas since mid-April! My wife gets kind of annoyed sometimes because it was supposed to be her car but I want to drive it whenever I go anywhere :)
 

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Yeah, they’ve promised a fully vegan interior starting with the ID.Buzz van, which is already under production, so presumably they’ve found a supplier for a capacitive wheel. Interesting reaction to the EV6. Folks tend to complain about the infotainment in the ID.4, but it’s mainly that it’s a little slow when you first turn it on - but once it boots up, it’s fine. And it’s very simple (large icons, usable voice controls).
I plan to keep the ID.4 and trade my gas car for the Ocean … the longer range of the Ocean should solve those corner cases (like day trips to the Catskills to ski) that I had been keeping the gas car for anyway… we use the EV for almost everything and I haven’t bought gas since mid-April! My wife gets kind of annoyed sometimes because it was supposed to be her car but I want to drive it whenever I go anywhere :)
I just hope the Ocean is worth it when the time finally comes.
 
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