[Rotaryracer]

Strangely, I just got the email from Fisker inviting me to pre-order the Ocean One. I placed my reservation on 19-Feb (of 2022) for an Ocean (and a PEAR), which would put me somewhere around 30-31,000 in the reservation list. I didn't expect to have to make a decision on the One based on when the reservation was placed...but perhaps the uptake on the One is lower than expected?

Half of me worries that there aren't more people scooping those up, the other half is hoping that this means they will accelerate production of the Ultra (which is what I really want). If more details on the Ultra (and option packages/prices) were available to make an informed decision, I might actually consider getting a One or Extreme...tough call to do so without.

Anyone else with later reservation numbers (estimated based on the chart posted here and on Fiskerati) getting One pre-order emails? Might be interesting to see just how deep they're going down the list...

 

[Heynowirv]

Strangely, I just got the email from Fisker inviting me to pre-order the Ocean One. I placed my reservation on 19-Feb (of 2022) for an Ocean (and a PEAR), which would put me somewhere around 30-31,000 in the reservation list. I didn't expect to have to make a decision on the One based on when the reservation was placed...but perhaps the uptake on the One is lower than expected?

Half of me worries that there aren't more people scooping those up, the other half is hoping that this means they will accelerate production of the Ultra (which is what I really want). If more details on the Ultra (and option packages/prices) were available to make an informed decision, I might actually consider getting a One or Extreme...tough call to do so without.

Anyone else with later reservation numbers (estimated based on the chart posted here and on Fiskerati) getting One pre-order emails? Might be interesting to see just how deep they're going down the list...

I agree. We reserved the Ocean Dec28,2021. which probably puts us around 20,000 and also just received the email and want an Ultra because 70k + is alot of money for an unknown vehicle. Hell it's a lot period.

 

[182]

I just put this in another thread...but overnight, I also received the invitation to submit $5000 to order the Ocean One. Based on Fisker's reservation growth chart, my deposit timing put me at about 20,000. Therefore, it appears the take rate for 5,000 units of Ocean One is running at less than 25%. if the OP here is at 30,000 in sequence, the rate would be less than about 16%. The invitation gives me the alternative of ordering a different trim, which I will not do at this time. Far too little information has been made public as of now.

 

[rr191]

I just got the email to pre-order and I reserved on Feb 15 of this year. I estimate that my reservation number is about #30,000.

 

[fiskeroceanfan]

I just got the email to pre-order and I reserved on Feb 15 of this year. I estimate that my reservation number is about #30,000.

It clearly shows that the acceptance of offer for Ocean One is really low. I would say Henrik needs to rethink his launch strategy. I believe he got caught up with the fast rising reservation numbers and got a bit …..
I still want Fisker to succeed so hopefully something good comes out of it.

 

[sirozha]

I reserved one on January 1, 2022, and the other one on January 3, 2022. I also received an invitation today to pre-order the Ocean One. I'm seeing now that even with the late February reservations people have gotten an invitation to pre-order the One today. So, this points me to one of the two conclusions: either people are not willing to put down $5,000 for a car they haven't seen in person, or most people consider the Ultra a better fit for them because of the $19,000 difference in price. I, for one, decided to specify today that I want an Ultra instead of a One.

There is another curious detail on the pre-order page. The Fisker Ocean Extreme is not expected to enter production until Q2 2023, which means that the during the first 4.5 months, Fisker is expecting to make on average about 1,000 cars per month. I was hoping for a faster ramp.

 

[182]

I reserved one on January 1, 2022, and the other one on January 3, 2022. I also received an invitation today to pre-order the Ocean One. I'm seeing now that even with the late February reservations people have gotten an invitation to pre-order the One today. So, this points me to one of the two conclusions: either people are not willing to put down $5,000 for a car they haven't seen in person, or most people consider the Ultra a better fit for them because of the $19,000 difference in price. I, for one, decided to specify today that I want an Ultra instead of a One.

I think you are spot-on with the concerns and that it's a combination of both. The "first on the block" syndrome has a limited group, especially at that price point for a non-luxury brand. But, we also don't know what mix was in the original plan. If the projection was a 10% take rate for One, they may be on-target. We'll never know what's in their internal documents. An overall ongoing mix of One-10%, Extreme-20%, Ultra-40%, Sport-30% would not be unreasonable from other programs I've known/managed. Once the One is gone, both lower trims at 40% ongoing would also not be unreasonable. If 10% for One happens to hold, Fisker would need to contact all 50,000 reservation holders to achieve conversion to orders.

 

[anraganjr]

I just put this in another thread...but overnight, I also received the invitation to submit $5000 to order the Ocean One. Based on Fisker's reservation growth chart, my deposit timing put me at about 20,000. Therefore, it appears the take rate for 5,000 units of Ocean One is running at less than 25%. if the OP here is at 30,000 in sequence, the rate would be less than about 16%. The invitation gives me the alternative of ordering a different trim, which I will not do at this time. Far too little information has been made public as of now.

You don't have to pay anything if you select a different trim level. Just lets them know what people are interested in. Also, I think if you want the ULTRA, like most it seems, you'd be better to select it now and change later.

FYI, I got a second email today telling me that they haven't heard from me on the ONE and I had 3 days to decide. I went through the steps again and re-selected the ULTRA.

 

[ocsteve39]

Strangely, I just got the email from Fisker inviting me to pre-order the Ocean One. I placed my reservation on 19-Feb (of 2022) for an Ocean (and a PEAR), which would put me somewhere around 30-31,000 in the reservation list. I didn't expect to have to make a decision on the One based on when the reservation was placed...but perhaps the uptake on the One is lower than expected?

Half of me worries that there aren't more people scooping those up, the other half is hoping that this means they will accelerate production of the Ultra (which is what I really want). If more details on the Ultra (and option packages/prices) were available to make an informed decision, I might actually consider getting a One or Extreme...tough call to do so without.

Anyone else with later reservation numbers (estimated based on the chart posted here and on Fiskerati) getting One pre-order emails? Might be interesting to see just how deep they're going down the list...

You are the latest.
We were the previous record holders with Nov. 2021.
All features will be offered to lower trims OTA. I think the advantage to the ONE or Extreme is the full array of packages are cheaper rather than purchasing seperatly.
Ultra certainly makes the most sense if you intend only one or two premium features.

 

[182]

You don't have to pay anything if you select a different trim level. Just lets them know what people are interested in. Also, I think if you want the ULTRA, like most it seems, you'd be better to select it now and change later.

They got me to the level of interest of a refundable deposit long ago, but with all the questions that are answered, "We'll be releasing more information closer to production", I don't yet have the interest to go further, especially in advance of IIHS results, road tests, in-person inspection, SiriusXM compatibility, and waiting to see if they make some more product available, such as 20" wheels that are not black and an interior that is not dirt-seeking white or maximum heat black. Right now, there is no satisfactory configuration for me. If nothing changes, I'll be out. Also, still need details about local service process/supplier. I don't buy cars often, so this is not as casual for me as it is for some others.

 

[Rotaryracer]

You are the latest.
We were the previous record holders with Nov. 2021.
All features will be offered to lower trims OTA. I think the advantage to the ONE or Extreme is the full array of packages are cheaper rather than purchasing seperatly.
Ultra certainly makes the most sense if you intend only one or two premium features.

Yeah, that's the $20,000 question. I know my wife and I will want the Winter package (heated seats, etc), but I don't know if there's much else we'd add. That said, the lack of clarity on the Ultra specs, options, and prices makes it more difficult than it should be. If they tell us the Winter package alone is $1,000-1,500 (remember, all hardware is there - this is purely flipping a digital switch OTA), then I'd probably do the Ultra with Winter package. If that package is priced in the stratosphere, or there are other things I'd like to add that will get me within shouting distance of an Extreme/One, then I'd consider upgrading...although I'm not sure I'd bite at $70K. I don't expect the Winter package will be priced at $20K, so probably still sticking with Ulltra + Winter.

Additionally, the total lack of clarity around servicing makes me twitchy, period. This will be my wife's daily driver and sole vehicle. Breaking down would be bad, since she can't (or refuses to) drive my motley collection of rolling junk. Breaking down and not being able to be serviced for an extended period of time, or letting the tire techs at Firestone wipe their greasy hands all over the interior of her expensive new car, would be a catastrophe. Given that we're pretty close to go time AND they are requesting a non-refundable deposit, I don't think it's unrealistic to communicate how Fisker will fix your car if/when needed.

 

[Rotaryracer]

Just went to the pre-order link, declined the One, and expressed my interest for the Ultra. For whoever grabs my spot for the One...keep us posted on your impressions when yours arrives.

 

[anraganjr]

Yeah, that's the $20,000 question. I know my wife and I will want the Winter package (heated seats, etc), but I don't know if there's much else we'd add. That said, the lack of clarity on the Ultra specs, options, and prices makes it more difficult than it should be. If they tell us the Winter package alone is $1,000-1,500 (remember, all hardware is there - this is purely flipping a digital switch OTA), then I'd probably do the Ultra with Winter package. If that package is priced in the stratosphere, or there are other things I'd like to add that will get me within shouting distance of an Extreme/One, then I'd consider upgrading...although I'm not sure I'd bite at $70K. I don't expect the Winter package will be priced at $20K, so probably still sticking with Ulltra + Winter.

Additionally, the total lack of clarity around servicing makes me twitchy, period. This will be my wife's daily driver and sole vehicle. Breaking down would be bad, since she can't (or refuses to) drive my motley collection of rolling junk. Breaking down and not being able to be serviced for an extended period of time, or letting the tire techs at Firestone wipe their greasy hands all over the interior of her expensive new car, would be a catastrophe. Given that we're pretty close to go time AND they are requesting a non-refundable deposit, I don't think it's unrealistic to communicate how Fisker will fix your car if/when needed.

I've been screaming about the pricing catastrophe forever. I'd consider the same thing if adding a few separately got you closer to the Extreme or ONE I'd probably go up a level. Honestly though, I think they are just looking for this $25M in NRD to get to the next step.

I'm also starting to weigh out the other EXTRAS to get the Ocean to my house.

Just for argument let's use high end numbers. ( I know these can vary, but we really don't know anything solid for now. )

$2500 delivery to a Fisker Brand Experience Center. I'm in NC (USA) so the closest ones to me will probably be NY or FL. (Assuming they are open by then.) Then I would need to either fly or drive there to pick up the vehicle. Who knows what that will cost at that time! Add in some costs for food, hotels, etc. Oh, and time away from work. And how much notice will you get that your vehicle is ready to be picked up.

Or, you can pay for the concierge service to have it delivered to your door on top of the possible $2500 above. What's that going to cost to come from CA possibly? Another $2000? More? How long could that process take or add to your wait times if they only want to bring 'X' number of cars across country at one time?

All of the things above really start eating into that EV tax credit...............

 

[TeslaYperformance]

if more than 5,000 people pay $5,000, I think they will just keep it, I means its non refundable...pretty sure they will accept more $5,000 payments than the 5,000 cars that are available, not cool..........

 

[EVolution]

I've been screaming about the pricing catastrophe forever. I'd consider the same thing if adding a few separately got you closer to the Extreme or ONE I'd probably go up a level. Honestly though, I think they are just looking for this $25M in NRD to get to the next step.

I'm also starting to weigh out the other EXTRAS to get the Ocean to my house.

Just for argument let's use high end numbers. ( I know these can vary, but we really don't know anything solid for now. )

$2500 delivery to a Fisker Brand Experience Center. I'm in NC (USA) so the closest ones to me will probably be NY or FL. (Assuming they are open by then.) Then I would need to either fly or drive there to pick up the vehicle. Who knows what that will cost at that time! Add in some costs for food, hotels, etc. Oh, and time away from work. And how much notice will you get that your vehicle is ready to be picked up.

Or, you can pay for the concierge service to have it delivered to your door on top of the possible $2500 above. What's that going to cost to come from CA possibly? Another $2000? More? How long could that process take or add to your wait times if they only want to bring 'X' number of cars across country at one time?

All of the things above really start eating into that EV tax credit...............

Personally, I think part of the reason the pricing and packages have yet to be fully released is due to the fact that they are sticking to their original purchase price of the vehicle. With rising costs in the industry, I believe Fisker will increase the prices of all the upgrades and OTA packages to recoup some of the margins lost rather than suffer a public backlash for rising prices like Rivian. Personally, I think we should be expecting to pay premium numbers for paint, wheels, and all the OTA packages. I wouldn't be surprised to see 2K for paint, 2K for wheels, 4-5K for the winter package etc. and if that is the case I'm not sure I can stomach it. I hope they don't as I think they will be in trouble as they will have significant competition by 2024. A lot of people may not care about all the additional features the Ocean has if a fully loaded Equinox EV may handle all their needs for 10K cheaper as an example. At the end of the day 'cash is king' as they say.

 

[Rotaryracer]

Personally, I think part of the reason the pricing and packages have yet to be fully released is due to the fact that they are sticking to their original purchase price of the vehicle. With rising costs in the industry, I believe Fisker will increase the prices of all the upgrades and OTA packages to recoup some of the margins lost rather than suffer a public backlash for rising prices like Rivian. Personally, I think we should be expecting to pay premium numbers for paint, wheels, and all the OTA packages. I wouldn't be surprised to see 2K for paint, 2K for wheels, 4-5K for the winter package etc. and if that is the case I'm not sure I can stomach it. I hope they don't as I think they will be in trouble as they will have significant competition by 2024. A lot of people may not care about all the additional features the Ocean has if a fully loaded Equinox EV may handle all their needs for 10K cheaper as an example. At the end of the day 'cash is king' as they say.

Agreed. $5K for the winter package - simply to activate existing hardware - would be a swift kick in the nether region. If the Ultra + Winter with delivery starts getting much above $53-55K (before the 8% NY sales tax, but also not counting the tax credit), we may or may not go forward. While we want an EV (and ideally an Ocean Ultra), we have a perfectly good one-year old ICE car that my wife likes just fine...we really don't need an Ocean.

Time will tell, I guess!

 

[HotIce]

Personally, I think part of the reason the pricing and packages have yet to be fully released is due to the fact that they are sticking to their original purchase price of the vehicle. With rising costs in the industry, I believe Fisker will increase the prices of all the upgrades and OTA packages to recoup some of the margins lost rather than suffer a public backlash for rising prices like Rivian. Personally, I think we should be expecting to pay premium numbers for paint, wheels, and all the OTA packages. I wouldn't be surprised to see 2K for paint, 2K for wheels, 4-5K for the winter package etc. and if that is the case I'm not sure I can stomach it. I hope they don't as I think they will be in trouble as they will have significant competition by 2024. A lot of people may not care about all the additional features the Ocean has if a fully loaded Equinox EV may handle all their needs for 10K cheaper as an example. At the end of the day 'cash is king' as they say.

I don't think it will be that steep but if other manufacturers can offer performance upgrades for $2,000 and have a take rate, then I think $2,000 to $3,000 is reasonable depending on what the Winter Package has.

 

[littlebittyrose63]

if more than 5,000 people pay $5,000, I think they will just keep it, I means its non refundable...pretty sure they will accept more $5,000 payments than the 5,000 cars that are available, not cool..........

??????

 

[Bernie]

??????

I think @TeslaYperformance is saying they may take a $5000 deposit from more than 5000 people. I doubt that though. Because I'd be pissed if they took it then turned around and said "oh, sorry, you are at place 5041, so you get an Extreme, and all of those extras will cost you more.

On a personal note I received the invite for a One today as well, and my first reservation was on Feb 20 this year, so just a day after OP, @Rotaryracer .

I never expected this, so I'm all jacked up, think about the value! But I've only wanted the Ultra. Especially when the Canadian prices came out this week, and the Ultra is $64k, and the One is $90k! No federal rebate for the Extreme/One, and 13% sales tax for any vehicle. Too rich for me with too many unknowns. They are all stated here from service contracts, real range, battery pack size, blah blah blah, and even dumb stuff like headroom. I'm 6ft5in, I think the headroom looks good with Henrik sitting at the wheel, but I want to see the number.

I want Fisker to succeed, I want to buy the Ocean, but I want to be super happy with it too. I'm in my mid 30s, but I've never bought or leased a new car. I'm really bent on going EV due to my $500 a month gas bill. But like others point out, there will be more options by Q4 2023 and early 24.

 

[Riptide]

Yeah, that's the $20,000 question. I know my wife and I will want the Winter package (heated seats, etc), but I don't know if there's much else we'd add. That said, the lack of clarity on the Ultra specs, options, and prices makes it more difficult than it should be. If they tell us the Winter package alone is $1,000-1,500 (remember, all hardware is there - this is purely flipping a digital switch OTA), then I'd probably do the Ultra with Winter package. If that package is priced in the stratosphere, or there are other things I'd like to add that will get me within shouting distance of an Extreme/One, then I'd consider upgrading...although I'm not sure I'd bite at $70K. I don't expect the Winter package will be priced at $20K, so probably still sticking with Ulltra + Winter.

Additionally, the total lack of clarity around servicing makes me twitchy, period. This will be my wife's daily driver and sole vehicle. Breaking down would be bad, since she can't (or refuses to) drive my motley collection of rolling junk. Breaking down and not being able to be serviced for an extended period of time, or letting the tire techs at Firestone wipe their greasy hands all over the interior of her expensive new car, would be a catastrophe. Given that we're pretty close to go time AND they are requesting a non-refundable deposit, I don't think it's unrealistic to communicate how Fisker will fix your car if/when needed.

Can you confirm ALL the hardware is present on each model and simpley unlocked OTA.
I can’t wrap my head around paying the cost of the hardware, let’s say Heated Seats, but I have to pay extra for the on switch. Or subscribe and pay monthly. Am I the only one that this seems absurd to. I understand things like Onstar, where your subscription payment is paying for a network connection, a representative to be available 24/7. But to simply use a hardware feature that is already physically present and pair for, and should never for the life of the vehicle cost either the manufacturer or final owner a dime.
Come on man. If this is verified I’ll cancel immediately.
And yes I’m aware Tesla did this with some performance features(still lame) This looks more like extortion.