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Which other OEM Car Manufacturers will NOW see the need to join the Tesla Supercharger Network?

FORD MOTORS exclusive
Votes: 1 9.1%
General Motors (only because Ford joined Tesla SC)
Votes: 5 45.5%
Stellantis Motors USA brands (JEEP, Chrysler, Dodge, Maserati)
Votes: 3 27.3%
Volkswagen AG (largest German OEM)
Votes: 2 18.2%
German OEM: Mercedes Benz (MB) and/or BMW (Bavarian Motor Works) and/or AUDI
Votes: 1 9.1%
Japanese OEM (Toyota/Honda/Nissan/Mazda/Subaru/Mitsubishi)
Votes: 1 9.1%
Korean OEM (Hyundai/KIA)
Votes: 2 18.2%
Chinese OEM (XPeng, BYD, SAIC, Volvo, Geely)
Votes: 0 0.0%
Other BEV manufacturers (Fisker, RIVIAN, LUCID, Vinfast, Lordstown, etc)
Votes: 2 18.2%
None
Votes: 2 18.2%

Total voters

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"OPEN THE FLOODGATES" : Ford Motors becomes 1st OEM to plug into Tesla Supercharger Network

1269 Views 40 Replies 12 Participants Last post by sirozha, 11 h ago

Blu Angel

Discussion Starter · 14 d ago (Edited)

Well, it FINALLY happened!

Elon Musk offered up to NACS (North American Charging Standard) to ALL auto manufacturers
Ford Motors took the very brave step....
Swallowed its pride and.....
Quietly admitted that the Tesla SC Network is the world's best charging platform!

IMHO, this now puts the Ford BEV products on top of the desirable list....
No mo' broken chargers....
No mo' "where can I charge?" lamentations
No mo' "Will there be an available charger?" moment

You get the BIG picture?
Here's some if you prefer visual treats versus a 1000 words...

electrek.co

Ford will add Tesla plug to its electric vehicles in surprising move

Tesla and Ford announced a partnership to onboard the latter’s electric vehicles on the former’s Supercharger network. Ford will add...

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TT97

· #2 · 14 d ago

I could see it being Stellantis as they had previously gifted Tesla billions of dollars for European emission credits. There must be some residual good will from that.

Dark-Fx

· #3 · 14 d ago

Tried to vote for none, but it wasn't an option.

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Blu Angel

Discussion Starter · #4 · 14 d ago

Dark-Fx said:
Tried to vote for none, but it wasn't an option.

Oops, your "None" option is now available

Blu Angel

Discussion Starter · #5 · 14 d ago (Edited)

Ford Electric Cars To Have Best EV Fast Charging In USA, Gaining Tesla Supercharger Access

https://cleantechnica.com/2023/05/25/ford-electric-cars-to-have-best-ev-fast-charging-in-usa-gaining-tesla-supercharger-access/

Blu Angel

Discussion Starter · #6 · 14 d ago

IF my Fisker Ocean Sport Reservation fails to become a bonafide retail sale,
THEN the Mustang Mach E jumps to the front of the line!

P.S. During the past Victoria Day weekend, my wife and I drove our Tesla 3
from Mississauga, ON to Ottawa, ON, the Canadian capital
The Tesla SC Network was such a joy to use that I want all my future
EV's to have SC access!

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sirozha

· #7 · 14 d ago

This doesn’t mean that Ford EVs equipped with NACS will automatically be able to charge at Tesla Superchargers. Musk would actually have to open up the superchargers to non-Tesla EVs, which he has done with fewer than 10 locations in the US so far.

Because Musk will control access for non-Tesla EVs to Tesla Superchargers, I don’t believe Ford will get rid of the CCS connector in their EVs. They will most likely have both CCS and NACS. It’s still a great move, though. CCS1 used in North America isn’t used anywhere else besides South Korea. NACS is a much better charging connector, so even if Tesla Superchargers remain exclusive to Tesla EVs, outfitting other DC networks in North America with NACS handles would be a much better solution going forward. CCS1 needs to die just like CHAdeMO.

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Blu Angel

Discussion Starter · #8 · 14 d ago

Ford BEV will have exclusive access to Tesla SC Network....
now only available with the NACS adapter....
Come 2025 no NACS adapter will be needed...
Ford will integrate the SC network through its onboard software

through its onboard software

www.teslarati.com

Tesla to open 12,000 Superchargers to Ford across U.S. and Canada

Ford is set to gain access to 12,000 Tesla Supercharger locations across the United States and Canada and a new partnership announced on Thursday. Ford will also adopt Tesla’s charging port beginning in 2025, eliminating the need for a charging adapter in the future. “This is great news for our...

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sirozha

· #9 · 14 d ago

I’m now going to look at Ford vehicles more closely. Not the Mach E but their second generation EVs.

And this is how Fisker will be screwed. No way Musk would allow Fiskers on his supercharger networks. They hate each other.

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Dark-Fx

· #10 · 14 d ago

Blu Angel said:
Ford BEV will have exclusive access to Tesla SC Network....
now only available with the NACS adapter....
Come 2025 no NACS adapter will be needed...
Ford will integrate the SC network View attachment 4470
through its onboard software

Tesla to open 12,000 Superchargers to Ford across U.S. and Canada

Ford is set to gain access to 12,000 Tesla Supercharger locations across the United States and Canada and a new partnership announced on Thursday. Ford will also adopt Tesla’s charging port beginning in 2025, eliminating the need for a charging adapter in the future. “This is great news for our...

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CCS vehicles will never be able to charge on v2 superchargers. Most of the ones in my area are v2. If legacy auto puts the Tesla ports right on their vehicles, I believe Tesla still won't be sharing their proprietary protocol, so the v2 thing will continue to be true.

crider1

· #11 · 14 d ago

Dark-Fx said:
CCS vehicles will never be able to charge on v2 superchargers. Most of the ones in my area are v2. If legacy auto puts the Tesla ports right on their vehicles, I believe Tesla still won't be sharing their proprietary protocol, so the v2 thing will continue to be true.

Yes, am I missing something? Could you not do that now (assuming you could use the Tesla supercharger) with an adapter?

sirozha

· #12 · 14 d ago

crider1 said:
Yes, am I missing something? Could you not do that now (assuming you could use the Tesla supercharger) with an adapter?

No, you can’t. There are no adapters from
NACS to CCS besides the charging adapters built in to the Superchargers, but those are in fewer than 10 locations acrisd the US. Evem if you made this adapter yourself, each Supercharger location would have to be enabled in the Tesla app for non-Tesla EVs for communicating via the CCS protocol and for accepting the payment through the Tesla app.

JDOcean

· #13 · 14 d ago

This is great news and IMO now puts Ford as a viable option. Now they just need to improve charging speed and include heat pumps in their cars...

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Blu Angel

Discussion Starter · #14 · 14 d ago

BONUS: Canadian Ford EV owners will also have access to the Tesla Supercharger Network

Why I believe this will be a marketing and financial coup for both Ford and Tesla.....

-All current Ford owners of petrol-consuming vehicles will have access to the Tesla SC Network when and if they purchase a NEW Ford BEV

-Ford Motors is selling approximately 500,000 vehicles in N.A. Per Quarter!
(Translates to 2,000,000 vehicles annually-WINNER- Ford 150 Lightning owners)

-All current Tesla owners will now have a viable SECOND CHOICE to purchase a Ford
BEV and use the Tesla Supercharger Network
(Tesla boasts the industry's highest retention rate of 67%
(two of three current Tesla owners replace with another brand new Tesla!

TRANSLATION: one of three Tesla owners can now consider Ford as their EV replacement
since they're jumping ship from Tesla to another Electric Vehicle
(Nobody or very few go back to petrol vehicles after experiencing electric lifestyle)

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Blu Angel

Discussion Starter · #15 · 14 d ago

12,000 Reasons to Buy a Ford BEV!

www.teslarati.com

Ford's adoption of Tesla NACS could change the EV charging landscape [Opinion]

Ford recently announced it would add the Tesla North American Charging Standard (NACS) port to its future electric vehicles (EVs).

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SeaPhil4

· #16 · 14 d ago

1 main reason not to…… its a Ford.

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Blu Angel

Discussion Starter · #17 · 14 d ago

Ford CEO Jim Farley,
"We've been working on this [Tesla] deal for a couple of years now"

IBRLYNOR

· #18 · 9 d ago

The beauty of this alliance is the marriage of the best charging network with more deep pockets. Let the other manufacturers pay Tesla to expand the existing network. Win-win. EA can go to h e double hockey sticks. Drove down to Charleston from Charlotte and nearly got stranded twice. Multiple charging stations had more than half of the chargers disabled and the rest derated to 50kW at best, even a 350kW charger. Had to waste money on hotels and Lyft rides. In one case, I was saved by a Shell Recharge station in BFE. I had 7 miles of range left. I ran into three other EV owners in the same boat.

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Blu Angel

Discussion Starter · #19 · 8 d ago (Edited)

IBRLYNOR said:
Multiple charging stations had more than half of the chargers disabled and the rest derated to 50kW at best, even a 350kW charger.
……I had 7 miles of range left. I ran into three other EV owners in the same boat.

@IBRLYNOR
this is a sorry state of non-Tesla chargers!
I do not understand why this is a common occurrence…
It‘s these EV charging nightmares that truly frighten the general public from joining the BEV train

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IBRLYNOR

· #20 · 8 d ago

Blu Angel said:
@IBRLYNOR
this is a sorry state of non-Tesla chargers!
I do not understand why this is a common occurrence…
Its these EV charging nightmares that truly frighten the general public from joining the BEV train

#BecauseCapitalism … companies need to turn ever-increasing profits and in lean times that comes out of the employees and the products/services. Think “scaling back” and shrinkflation. Tesla likely allocates a portion of a car’s sales price to its charging infrastructure and God knows their sales have kept up and then some. EA aka Volkswagen Group of America snorted all the unappropriated money it had (from their lawsuit settlement obligation) and are letting the stations go into disrepair or “low output” mode. There aren’t enough non-Tesla EVs being sold to help finance EA’s network, at least not yet. Tesla’s deep pockets and shock-and-awe scaling really helped eliminate these chicken-and-egg problems. It helps to not be in a rut of old-school financial/sales practices like the rest of the automobile industry. Sooo much waste.

Meanwhile, I paid $0.35-ish cents/kWh at Shell’s Recharge station and was thrilled to do so, despite the fact that I should have been able to charge for free and at above 150kW at EA. Anything that’s sold to you as “free” probably had a budget that was pilfered long ago.

If you agree with everything I’ve stated, I also have a newsletter and manifesto you can subscribe to! 😂

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