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I have no problem putting money down on a vehicle purchase but with the Ocean we don't even know some basic details or how it drives. I believe that is very arrogant of Fisker to expect people to have a non refundable deposit on an unknown vehicle. Yes I love the design but Henrik doesn't answer even the most basic questions about the vehicle . I don't even have canadian pricing as vehicles have different pricing for different markets. Not just 68900 plus the u.s. exchange rate. I think Fisker should look at this refund policy going forward as no other car company would ever do this
 

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I have no problem putting money down on a vehicle purchase but with the Ocean we don't even know some basic details or how it drives. I believe that is very arrogant of Fisker to expect people to have a non refundable deposit on an unknown vehicle. Yes I love the design but Henrik doesn't answer even the most basic questions about the vehicle . I don't even have canadian pricing as vehicles have different pricing for different markets. Not just 68900 plus the u.s. exchange rate. I think Fisker should look at this refund policy going forward as no other car company would ever do this
I do feel you on the non refundable amount. I think most people who have the money to pay cash are more than likely do not care as it may be pocket change to them. Obviously I can not speak for these people just my opinion. Now some of these people could be buying the Ocean One for their Business which then it becomes a tax write-off so does not matter. I am no accountant but I am sure their is some sort of Loop Hole in the tax code somewhere to write off car purchases as a normal person especially if you work from home lol. Without going into more tax stuff I will go back on topic now.


But if you remember when Tesla was doing their releases you should recall them charging I think originally was 2500 to make a reservation then you had to pay another 2k or 2500 to place the order. Now things have changed with Tesla now only 100 - 250 for reservation which is fully refundable. However, to place and order it is like 10% of whatever the car price is roughly which is non refundable. However, if your order has not been processed, put in build que, or built I think you can cancel and think get your full refund. Also you can refuse delivery however, they will try and get you to pick another vehicle.

So Fisker not doing nothing different than any one else has done. At this stage of the start up company they need the money coming in for R&D and be able to pay all the suppliers, manufacturers, so on and so forth. Build these Experience Centers, pay employees, so he is doing nothing new. We all probably had an idea about a 10% deposit would be required for the One and possible the Extreme but the others it might not be required or maybe it will be.

Now this getting me thinking about the Flexee Lease which I know is not available until end of 2023 or middle 2024. I am thinking if the deposit is pretty much the acquisition fee to start the Flexee Lease or if a deposit will be required as well on top of the acquisition Fee?
 

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I have no problem putting money down on a vehicle purchase but with the Ocean we don't even know some basic details or how it drives. I believe that is very arrogant of Fisker to expect people to have a non refundable deposit on an unknown vehicle. Yes I love the design but Henrik doesn't answer even the most basic questions about the vehicle . I don't even have canadian pricing as vehicles have different pricing for different markets. Not just 68900 plus the u.s. exchange rate. I think Fisker should look at this refund policy going forward as no other car company would ever do this
To me this is no big deal. The offer is for someone who wants to be among the first to get one and is willing to pay without full information. Anyone else can simply choose the Extreme version and not lose their place in line. They get the same vehicle, with the same equipment, with the same price (except for the signature and launch color). They will not get one of the first 5k VIN numbers, but they will be first in line when the Extreme opens and they will have been able to see all of the reviews etc. before they order.

Fisker needs to get certainty on the first 5k or so for production planning. But it is premature to do a press launch. IMO, this is a fair compromise.
 

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I have no problem putting money down on a vehicle purchase but with the Ocean we don't even know some basic details or how it drives. I believe that is very arrogant of Fisker to expect people to have a non refundable deposit on an unknown vehicle. Yes I love the design but Henrik doesn't answer even the most basic questions about the vehicle . I don't even have canadian pricing as vehicles have different pricing for different markets. Not just 68900 plus the u.s. exchange rate. I think Fisker should look at this refund policy going forward as no other car company would ever do this
 

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I have no problem putting money down on a vehicle purchase but with the Ocean we don't even know some basic details or how it drives. I believe that is very arrogant of Fisker to expect people to have a non refundable deposit on an unknown vehicle. Yes I love the design but Henrik doesn't answer even the most basic questions about the vehicle . I don't even have canadian pricing as vehicles have different pricing for different markets. Not just 68900 plus the u.s. exchange rate. I think Fisker should look at this refund policy going forward as no other car company would ever do this
I understand and can empathize with your concern but there is also considerable comfort in knowing that Ms. Abbie Eaton, a professional racing driver, was hired to fine tune the driving quality of this car.
 

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I do have the money to place a $5000 dollar deposit on an Ocean One but the reason I do have that money is from not making poor decisions with my money. It's a leap of faith for anyone to hand over the deposit on a vehicle that has yet to be driven by anyone other than Henrik and Abbie. I wish everyone the best who purchases the One and hope it's everything that Henrik says it's and more but if he believes in the Ocean, he should have had some vehicles available for reviewers to drive. To me, it comes across as unprepared or hiding the fact the vehicle is not up to par. I've had salespeople bring instrumentation to my lab telling me about all the features it has and how it will cut my costs. I tell them to leave it for a few months and let me try it out. If they refuse, then I know it won't live up to the standards the salesperson promoted.
 

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I have no problem putting money down on a vehicle purchase but with the Ocean we don't even know some basic details or how it drives. I believe that is very arrogant of Fisker to expect people to have a non refundable deposit on an unknown vehicle. Yes I love the design but Henrik doesn't answer even the most basic questions about the vehicle . I don't even have canadian pricing as vehicles have different pricing for different markets. Not just 68900 plus the u.s. exchange rate. I think Fisker should look at this refund policy going forward as no other car company would ever do this
I get your concern. But the people who are going to shell out the $5k are those that feel very confident of what they are about to buy. And Fisker needs a guage to see if the demand and commitment is really there. I hope it is and that they only need to send out less than 10k emails to sell out the One. You may have the old school approach when buying a car but that approach is starting to be a thing of the past. Tesla changed that and other EV manufacturers are following in the same foot steps. It doesn't really bother me because I am in the market for an Ultra. So by the time my turn comes up to shell out whatever amount Fisker wants from me, I am pretty sure all product and purchase details will be well defined. I may even be able to actually feel it and drive it before I actually commit. But my gut feeling says this car will be exactly as advertised.
 

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I like Fisker Ocean, that's why I reserved it and following it closely. Current status doesn't give me 100% confidence to place $5k non refundable deposit without knowing some basic details about servicing, powertrain, battery infrastructure etc. As of now placing deposit is all about personal choice and loyalty to Fisker.

Tesla, Rivian and Lucid had clear plans on servicing, they built out or announced locations of servicing centers. Mercedes and traditional makers have dealers. I'm sure Fisker will work out the details in coming weeks, may be it's taking longer for them to agree on T&C's with servicing center chains, but why not release the other vehicle details?

I seriously doubt I will get the invite so don't have to worry about placing $5k deposit at this time.
 

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I do have the money to place a $5000 dollar deposit on an Ocean One but the reason I do have that money is from not making poor decisions with my money. It's a leap of faith for anyone to hand over the deposit on a vehicle that has yet to be driven by anyone other than Henrik and Abbie. I wish everyone the best who purchases the One and hope it's everything that Henrik says it's and more but if he believes in the Ocean, he should have had some vehicles available for reviewers to drive. To me, it comes across as unprepared or hiding the fact the vehicle is not up to par. I've had salespeople bring instrumentation to my lab telling me about all the features it has and how it will cut my costs. I tell them to leave it for a few months and let me try it out. If they refuse, then I know it won't live up to the standards the salesperson promoted.
You could also say, per your example, that Henrik believes so strongly in the Ocean that he sees very little risk in selling it without a test drive. Having said that, I am quite disappointed by the delay in opening his Experience Centers and I certainly hope to have my own '"test drive". Certainly, you should have had one by now.
 

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I don't really feel concerned by this 5k because my reservation is around 19-20k, I will not have a call according to me, anyway I want an Ultra. But if I would I would deposit the 5k and if ever I'm not satisfied I would put it up for sale and sell it quickly without any problem given the current market situation!;)
 

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I get your concern. But the people who are going to shell out the $5k are those that feel very confident of what they are about to buy. And Fisker needs a guage to see if the demand and commitment is really there. I hope it is and that they only need to send out less than 10k emails to sell out the One. You may have the old school approach when buying a car but that approach is starting to be a thing of the past. Tesla changed that and other EV manufacturers are following in the same foot steps. It doesn't really bother me because I am in the market for an Ultra. So by the time my turn comes up to shell out whatever amount Fisker wants from me, I am pretty sure all product and purchase details will be well defined. I may even be able to actually feel it and drive it before I actually commit. But my gut feeling says this car will be exactly as advertised.
It's not a old school mentality that he's talking about. It's going in blindly purchasing a vehicle worth 50 to 69 thousand dollars based on the words of ONE PERSON!!! if he has such faith in the vehicle as one individual said, then he should have test drives and experience centers already operational. People in this forum want to like it and I do as well but come on. We know zero about this vehicle besides the looks and until it gets in the hands of someone who's not employed by Fisker, we have no idea.
 

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For meg er dette ingen stor sak. Tilbudet er for noen som ønsker å være blant de første som får en og er villig til å betale uten full informasjon. Alle andre kan ganske enkelt velge Extreme-versjonen og ikke miste plassen sin i køen . De får samme kjøretøy, med samme utstyr, med samme pris (bortsett fra signatur og lanseringsfarge). De vil ikke få et av de første 5k VIN-numrene, men de vil være først i køen når Extreme åpner, og de vil ha kunnet se alle anmeldelser osv. før de bestiller.

Fisker trenger å få sikkerhet på de første 5k eller så for produksjonsplanlegging. Men det er for tidlig å gjøre en presselansering. IMO, dette er et rettferdig kompromiss.
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Jeg agree completly with you !!
 

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I also didn’t have any issues giving $5K if the vehicle was out and I was able to experience it. However that is not the case. I agree spending 5K is not the issue but spending on something that we don’t know anything about is the concern I have.
I would like to share an interesting experience (unfortunate one) that I just had a couple days back.

Couple days ago when Mr Fisker posted the down payment for his Fisker Ocean One I asked him on the instagram as to why the company had chosen to have $5K as a non refundable amount? I told him there would be limited interest at such a high non refundable amount for a car that is not even out yet and has not been experienced by anyone.
and in response Mr Fisker chose to just block me instead of responding.
lol not that I care that I can’t see his post but it has shaken my belief in Fisker as an organization and person. Someone who can’t take a little bit of criticism IMHO isnt the right person leading an innovative organization.
I am finally fully out of the Fisker band wagon I wish him success but I don’t think this vehicle is for me
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I also didn’t have any issues giving $5K if the vehicle was out and I was able to experience it. However that is not the case. I agree spending 5K is not the issue but spending on something that we don’t know anything about is the concern I have.
I would like to share an interesting experience (unfortunate one) that I just had a couple days back.

Couple days ago when Mr Fisker posted the down payment for his Fisker Ocean One I asked him on the instagram as to why the company had chosen to have $5K as a non refundable amount? I told him there would be limited interest at such a high non refundable amount for a car that is not even out yet and has not been experienced by anyone.
and in response Mr Fisker chose to just block me instead of responding.
lol not that I care that I can’t see his post but it has shaken my belief in Fisker as an organization and person. Someone who can’t take a little bit of criticism IMHO isnt the right person leading an innovative organization.
I am finally fully out of the Fisker band wagon I wish him success but I don’t think this vehicle is for me
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That was not appropriate blocking you! There are many red flags at this point. He certainly knows what he is building so why not tell us simple details about this vehicle. I know Abby Eaton can not and will not say anything to spoil the opinions on the vehicle. I am sure she had to sign a non disclosure with Henrik. I would love the performance of the AWD but I don't want a rough riding vehicle and It must be a quiet interior! . The tesla I found resonant and noisy inside. My Ioniq 5 is very quiet(y)
 

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That was not appropriate blocking you! There are many red flags at this point. He certainly knows what he is building so why not tell us simple details about this vehicle. I know Abby Eaton can not and will not say anything to spoil the opinions on the vehicle. I am sure she had to sign a non disclosure with Henrik. I would love the performance of the AWD but I don't want a rough riding vehicle and It must be a quiet interior! . The tesla I found resonant and noisy inside. My Ioniq 5 is very quiet(y)
Agree. Not releasing details like interior space or final dimensions or curb weight or basic details like that fearing the competition will steal, aren’t credible and feel like excuses to me. Forcing people to commit to $5K on a vehicle with absolutely 0 details isn’t right either. But whatever strategy Fiskers management team has come up with isn’t for me.
 

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Agree. Not releasing details like interior space or final dimensions or curb weight or basic details like that fearing the competition will steal, aren’t credible and feel like excuses to me. Forcing people to commit to $5K on a vehicle with absolutely 0 details isn’t right either. But whatever strategy Fiskers management team has come up with isn’t for me.
Yeah, the blocking thing is really shocking. It's not a crazy question, I'm not going to remove my reservation yet, but that's a legitimate question, and he could just chose to ignore it.
 

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It’s for the die hard Fisker fans that want a Fisker and are willing to pay to help get the company off the ground. I don’t see an issue. If you aren’t that die hard, you can pass on it and just wait for the Extreme. Anyone that loves the Fisker brand will happily pay it.

These will hold their value very very well for the first year or two.
 
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