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This is how I rate my Model Y:
Ride Quality: 6
Interior Quality: 7 (lack of retractable sunroof shade; fixed sunroof, lack of perforated seats)
Interior and Cargo Space: 8
Acceleration: 9
Range: 9
Road Noise Insulation: 6
Infotainment: 6 (lack of Android Auto / Apple CarPlay)
Smart Assistant: 0 (smart assistant based actions required to be summoned on the smartphone itself; can't be summoned from the steering wheel or infotainment).
Navigation: 8
Charging Stops Planning: 10
Charging Infrastructure: 9 (no official support for CCS1 DC chargers; there is a solution, though, not officially supported)
Ease of Charging: 10 (compact charging connector; plug-and-charge; relatively fast charging available 200+ kW)
Towing Capacity: 5
Spare Parts Availability and Wait Times to Repair: 5
Ease of Access to Support: 7
Reliability: 7
Smartphone App: 8
Auto-pilot / Smart Cruise Control system: 7 (not considering FSD)
Drive-assist Tech: 5 (lack of cross-traffic alert, lack of 360 cameras, lack of blind-spot monitoring in side mirrors)
Regeneration Effectiveness / Ease of Use: 7 (no blended regen / friction braking; no free-coasting mode; no variable-regen-level paddles)

Average score: 6.95
 

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AWD ID.4 Pro S with Gradient:
Ride Quality: 8
Interior Quality: 7 (some hard plastic surfaces; fixed sunroof)
Interior and Cargo Space: 7
Acceleration: 7
Range: 7
Road Noise Insulation: 8
Infotainment: 7 (Poor on-board Infotainment mitigated by wireless Android Auto / Apple CarPlay)
Smart Assistant / Smart Home Integration: 9 (with Google Assistant /Google Home or Siri / Apple HomeKit)
Navigation: 9 (Poor on-board navigation mitigated by three best navigation systems available via Android Auto / Apple CarPlay: Google Maps, Apple Maps, Waze)
Charging Stops Planning: 7 (no support for charging stops planning in on-board navigation mitigated by various 3rd-party apps available via Android Auto / Apple CarPlay)
Charging Infrastructure: 6 (lacking charging infrastructure with charging stalls situated in non-premium locations with about 25% regularly being out-of-order)
Ease of Charging: 6 (bulky CCS1 connector; no plug-and-charge capability; additional actions in the smartphone app are required; relatively slow charging: 135 kW max)
Towing Capacity: 6
Spare Parts Availability and Wait Times to Repair: 6
Ease of Access to Support: 7
Reliability: 7
Smartphone App: 4 (very limited functionality)
Auto-pilot / Smart Cruise Control system: 7
Drive-assist tech: 7 (lack of 360 cameras in North America)
Regeneration Effectiveness / Ease of Use: 7 (no one-pedal driving; no variable-regen-level paddles)

Average score: 6.95
 

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This is how I rate my 2018 Model 3 LR

Ride Quality: 10
Interior Quality: 10
Interior and Cargo Space: 10
Acceleration: 9
Road Noise Insulation: 5
Infotainment: 8
Smart Assistant / Smart Home Integration: 3
Navigation: 9
Charging Stops Planning: 10 g(love he way it uses Supercharger outlets)
Charging Infrastructure: 10 (only use Tesla Supercharger Network)
Ease of Charging: 10 (Superchargers baby!)
Towing Capacity: N/A
Spare Parts Availability: 8
Wait Times to Repair: 8
Ease of Access to Support: 8
Reliability: 10
Smartphone App: 10
Auto-pilot / Smart Cruise Control system: 9 (not considering FSD)
Drive-assist Tech: 8
Regeneration Effectiveness / Ease of Use: 8

Average score: 162/ 19 = 8.52
 
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2021 Model Y with 20" Induction Wheels.

Ride Quality: 4
Interior Quality: 7
Interior and Cargo Space: 8
Acceleration: 9
Road Noise Insulation: 5
Infotainment: 7 (lack of Android Auto / Apple CarPlay / Smart Assistant)
Smart Assistant / Smart Home Integration: 0 (smart assistant based actions required to be summoned on the smartphone itself; can't be summoned from the steering wheel or infotainment).
Navigation: 6
Charging Stops Planning: 8 (no support for locating CCS1 DC chargers)
Charging Infrastructure: 8 (no official support for CCS1 DC chargers; there is a solution, though, not officially supported)
Ease of Charging: 10 (compact charging connector; plug-and-charge; relatively fast charging available 200+ kW)
Towing Capacity: N/A I don't tow.
Spare Parts Availability: 6
Wait Times to Repair: 4
Ease of Access to Support: 2
Reliability: 7
Smartphone App: 8
Auto-pilot / Smart Cruise Control system: 6 (not considering FSD)
Drive-assist Tech: 4 (lack of cross-traffic alert, lack of 360 cameras, lack of blind-spot monitoring in rear-view mirrors)
Regeneration Effectiveness / Ease of Use: 5 (It use to be a lot better but I'm using my brakes a lot more now.)
 

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2018 Model 3 RWD Long Range w aero wheels
Design - 7 - first good looking affordable EV on the market
Build Quality - 3 - it's never broken down on me, but it's had dozens and dozens quality problems
Ride - 7 - sporty but not too hard
Road Noise - 3 - loudest car I've ever owned
Fun to drive - 8 - great driving position and ergonomics
Visibility - 7 - incredibly forward view, poor rear view
Tech - 8 - the nav integration with the charging network is awesome
Efficiency - 8
Service - 2 - the service centers are overrun because of their massive quality problems, it takes forever to get anything fixed, and you dont even get a loaner.
Politics - 1 - company is run by an asshole who now supports the party that denied climate change for decades and tried to overthrow democracy, and he wants everyone to work til 3am.

I'm interested in fisker because of the aesthetics, the performance, the range, and the desire to get away from elon and his lunacy. I know elon hates him, and that makes me want to support him. The only thing that might keep me from buying is i want a sedan. Not a SUV or CUV. I dont want to sit high up. There are almost NO affordable EV sedans on the market. Everyone is making SUVs and SUVs. COME ON FISKER!
 

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2018 Model 3 LR w/19" rims + FSD

Ride Quality: 8 - more of a sporty/hard ride than soft and cushy
Interior Quality: 9 - only interior complaint is my drive stalk, the cover has never stuck well to the end of the stalk
Exterior Quality: 7 - no issues with panel gaps, but I've had to replace a rear tail light due to moisture, chargeport door as it stopped opening and trunk activator as the trunk started opening on it's own
Interior and Cargo Space: 8 (plenty of cargo space, a bit tight in the back, but I don't sit there
Acceleration: 9 - love it; wish I got the Performance
Road Noise Insulation: 3 - driver's side window will make noise in a cross-wind
Infotainment: 9 - can't ask for anything more. I'm not into Car Play, so not fussed by the lack of support. I can browse and watch a show while waiting to charge or in a parking lot waiting for my wife
Smart Assistant / Smart Home Integration: 2 - only real automation is the opening of my garage when I get into my driveway
Navigation: 9
Charging Stops Planning: 10 - I don't think there is a comparison out there
Charging Infrastructure: 10 - see above
Ease of Charging: 10 - see above
Towing Capacity: N/A
Spare Parts Availability: 9
Wait Times to Repair: 9 - I have had very good experiences with the mobile tech and at the Tesla shops
Ease of Access to Support: 9
Reliability: 7 - have replaced my front upper control arms twice - one set under warranty; had to replace A/C condenser as debris damaged the unit
Smartphone App: 10
Auto-pilot / Smart Cruise Control system: 9 - I use FSD on multi-lane highways and really have no issues with it
Drive-assist Tech: 8
Regeneration Effectiveness / Ease of Use: 10 - love OPD

Overall, a positive experience with my sight unseen purchase back in 2018. I also benefitted from a $14K government rebate at the time and 50% off my charging installation (same rebate plan). Wish it was still around.
 

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'18 Model 3 RWD LR'21 VW ID.4 Pro S AWD
Ride Quality:97
Interior Quality:68
Interior and Cargo Space:7 (the car would be perfect it was a hatchback style similar to the S)7 (no frunk to carry stinky food/width is tighter than the 3)
Acceleration:95
Road Noise Insulation:58
Infotainment:95 (Pathetic implementation of CarPlay)
Smart Assistant / Smart Home Integration:n/a (Saying "Hey Siri" activates on phone just fine.)7
Navigation:95 (Car Play just does not implement well and in-car navigation is sub par)
Charging Stops Planning:10 (Tesla supercharging network/integration is heads and shoulders over everything else.)3
Charging Infrastructure:10 (Tesla supercharging network/integration is heads and shoulders over everything else.)3
Ease of Charging:10 (Tesla supercharging network/integration is heads and shoulders over everything else.)5
Reliability:89
Smartphone App:90 ("My VW" is a joke and the new update made it worse)
Auto-pilot / Smart Cruise Control system:7 (Auto-pilot works great; FSD was good until I joined the beta program and is now terrible)6
Drive-assist Tech:67
Regeneration Effectiveness / Ease of Use:93
Average:8.35.5

I took out the repair/wait/spare parts category as do not have experience for either car. The scores are more skewed then they should be - the navigation/charging network/infrastructure on the Tesla is far superior than the CCS network (especially in California) which is the biggest difference between the two cars. The VW has better build quality and insulation but the ride is too soft and needs OPD/brake hold. The VW has a binnacle instrument panel which I really wish the 3 would have. I thought I could get used to not having a binnacle but still can't stand it after 4 years - That and Elon's antics are reasons why I will likely not buy another Tesla.
 
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'18 Model 3 RWD LR'21 VW ID.4 Pro S AWD
Ride Quality:97
Interior Quality:68
Interior and Cargo Space:7 (the car would be perfect it was a hatchback style similar to the S)7 (no frunk to carry stinky food/width is tighter than the 3)
Acceleration:95
Road Noise Insulation:58
Infotainment:95 (Pathetic implementation of CarPlay)
Smart Assistant / Smart Home Integration:n/a (Saying "Hey Siri" activates on phone just fine.)7
Navigation:95 (Car Play just does not implement well and in-car navigation is sub par)
Charging Stops Planning:10 (Tesla supercharging network/integration is heads and shoulders over everything else.)3
Charging Infrastructure:10 (Tesla supercharging network/integration is heads and shoulders over everything else.)3
Ease of Charging:10 (Tesla supercharging network/integration is heads and shoulders over everything else.)5
Reliability:89
Smartphone App:90 ("My VW" is a joke and the new update made it worse)
Auto-pilot / Smart Cruise Control system:7 (Auto-pilot works great; FSD was good until I joined the beta program and is now terrible)6
Drive-assist Tech:67
Regeneration Effectiveness / Ease of Use:93
Average:8.35.5

I took out the repair/wait/spare parts category as do not have experience for either car. The scores are more skewed then they should be - the navigation/charging network/infrastructure on the Tesla is far superior than the CCS network (especially in California) which is the biggest difference between the two cars. The VW has better build quality and insulation but the ride is too soft and needs OPD/brake hold. The VW has a binnacle instrument panel which I really wish the 3 would have. I thought I could get used to not having a binnacle but still can't stand it after 4 years - That and Elon's antics are reasons why I will likely not buy another Tesla.
VW having a ride too soft? I thought it was a little too harsh, but not nearly as harsh as the Model 3 / Model Y.

People who rate the Model 3 ride as a 9 or 10, what were you driving before getting the Model 3 that it feels to you as a 10? Did you drive a BMW before? Because if you drive a Lexus or Infinity, there is no way you would rate the ride quality as 9 or 10 in the Model 3 / Y. I do realize that ride quality is a subjective metric, but I just want to understand what people are thinking when they are rating the Model 3 as a 9 or 10.

I would rate the Model S as an 8 for ride quality, but the Model 3 / Model Y to me is a 6 at most compared to other cars and SUVs I’ve owned. My 2017 Kia Sorento SXL is a solid 8 or maybe even 8.5 for ride quality; that’s why I rated the ID.4 ride quality as 8. It drives almost as luxurious as my 2017 Kia Sorento SXL, which is an amazing vehicle. After owning it for 6 years I still can’t believe what a high quality SUV the 2017 Kia Sorento SXL AWD is. It’s built like a tank, its doors close with precision and satisfying thump, it’s fairly quick to accelerate. It can tow 5,000 lbs. it has Napa leather throughout, cooled and heated perforated seats, driver presets, CarPlay and Android Auto, AC outlets, Cross traffic alert, 360 cameras, parking sensors, blind spot monitoring in side mirrors, smart cruise control, automatic braking, motorized panoramic sunroof with motorized sunshade, ample cargo space, etc. The 2017 Kia Sorento SXL AWD is the baseline that I compare both the Model Y and the ID.4 with. Neither one rises to the glory of the 2017 Kia Sorento AWD SXL except for the Sorento not being an EV. Having said that, I’ve driven lower trim levels of the 2017 Kia Sorento, and those drive like completely different cars, so the SXL trim definitely has a much better ride quality than the cheaper trims of the Kia Sorento.

In Fisker Ocean, I’m hoping to get an EV that is close in manufacturing quality, interior quality, ride quality, features, etc. to the 2017 Kia Sorento SXL AWD.
 

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2022 KIA EV6 - AWD GT-LINE FIRST EDITION
Ride Quality: 10
Interior Quality: 8
Interior and Cargo Space: 8
Acceleration: 8
Road Noise Insulation: 8
Infotainment: 8
Smart Assistant / Smart Home Integration: 7
Navigation: 7
Charging Stops Planning: 7
Charging Infrastructure: 7
Ease of Charging: 8
Towing Capacity: 7
Spare Parts Availability: 7
Wait Times to Repair: 6
Ease of Access to Support: 8
Reliability: 10
Smartphone App: 10
Auto-pilot / Smart Cruise Control system: 9
Drive-assist Tech: 9
Regeneration Effectiveness / Ease of Use: 9

161/20 = Average Score: 8.05
It's a first year car and so parts and repair times are not going to be as easy as other, more established vehicles to obtain. (Thankfully I've had next to nothing in terms of issues with this EV). Also, nothing can match Tesla at the moment for the overall charging experience and it's network across the country. Outside of this, the EV6 is a very well-balanced product. To me it's the coolest looking body design currently out on the road under 70K. It's acceptably fast. Not Tesla M3 Performance fast, but not that far off either. Incredibly fun to drive and it has a very smooth feel to it. Build quality overall is great. No panel alignment issues like Tesla. I just wish there was a little less of that glossy piano-black in the interior. Same with the easy-to-scratch hard plastics on the seat backs. My only other drawbacks are the small sunroof and the stereo system does not come tuned very well from factory. I'd definitely recommend this car to others. This car was purchased for my wife but I find myself stealing it from her quite a bit. Nonetheless the Ocean purchase will be for me and it will definitely provide some things the EV6 can't; which I'm totally looking forward to. Like 540 or 550 HP, California Mode (basically turn your car into a convertible without the floppy mechanically roof pullback) and longer range.
 

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2022 KIA EV6 - AWD GT-LINE FIRST EDITION
Ride Quality: 10
Interior Quality: 8
Interior and Cargo Space: 8
Acceleration: 8
Road Noise Insulation: 8
Infotainment: 8
Smart Assistant / Smart Home Integration: 7
Navigation: 7
Charging Stops Planning: 7
Charging Infrastructure: 7
Ease of Charging: 8
Towing Capacity: 7
Spare Parts Availability: 7
Wait Times to Repair: 6
Ease of Access to Support: 8
Reliability: 10
Smartphone App: 10
Auto-pilot / Smart Cruise Control system: 9
Drive-assist Tech: 9
Regeneration Effectiveness / Ease of Use: 9

161/20 = Average Score: 8.05
It's a first year car and so parts and repair times are not going to be as easy as other, more established vehicles to obtain. (Thankfully I've had next to nothing in terms of issues with this EV). Also, nothing can match Tesla at the moment for the overall charging experience and it's network across the country. Outside of this, the EV6 is a very well-balanced product. To me it's the coolest looking body design currently out on the road under 70K. It's acceptably fast. Not Tesla M3 Performance fast, but not that far off either. Incredibly fun to drive and it has a very smooth feel to it. Build quality overall is great. No panel alignment issues like Tesla. I just wish there was a little less of that glossy piano-black in the interior. Same with the easy-to-scratch hard plastics on the seat backs. My only other drawbacks are the small sunroof and the stereo system does not come tuned very well from factory. I'd definitely recommend this car to others. This car was purchased for my wife but I find myself stealing it from her quite a bit. Nonetheless the Ocean purchase will be for me and it will definitely provide some things the EV6 can't; which I'm totally looking forward to. Like 540 or 550 HP, California Mode (basically turn your car into a convertible without the floppy mechanically roof pullback) and longer range.
Maximum towing capacity for the EV6 is 2,300 lbs. For the AWD ID.4, the maximum towing capacity is 2,700 lbs. A compact SUV should be able to tow 3,500 lbs.
 

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VW having a ride too soft? I thought it was a little too harsh, but not nearly as harsh as the Model 3 / Model Y.

People who rate the Model 3 ride as a 9 or 10, what were you driving before getting the Model 3 that it feels to you as a 10? Did you drive a BMW before? Because if you drive a Lexus or Infinity, there is no way you would rate the ride quality as 9 or 10 in the Model 3 / Y. I do realize that ride quality is a subjective metric, but I just want to understand what people are thinking when they are rating the Model 3 as a 9 or 10.

I would rate the Model S as an 8 for ride quality, but the Model 3 / Model Y to me is a 6 at most compared to other cars and SUVs I’ve owned. My 2017 Kia Sorento SXL is a solid 8 or maybe even 8.5 for ride quality; that’s why I rated the ID.4 ride quality as 8. It drives almost as luxurious as my 2017 Kia Sorento SXL, which is an amazing vehicle. After owning it for 6 years I still can’t believe what a high quality SUV the 2017 Kia Sorento SXL AWD is. It’s built like a tank, its doors close with precision and satisfying thump, it’s fairly quick to accelerate. It can tow 5,000 lbs. it has Napa leather throughout, cooled and heated perforated seats, driver presets, CarPlay and Android Auto, AC outlets, Cross traffic alert, 360 cameras, parking sensors, blind spot monitoring in side mirrors, smart cruise control, automatic braking, motorized panoramic sunroof with motorized sunshade, ample cargo space, etc. The 2017 Kia Sorento SXL AWD is the baseline that I compare both the Model Y and the ID.4 with. Neither one rises to the glory of the 2017 Kia Sorento AWD SXL except for the Sorento not being an EV. Having said that, I’ve driven lower trim levels of the 2017 Kia Sorento, and those drive like completely different cars, so the SXL trim definitely has a much better ride quality than the cheaper trims of the Kia Sorento.

In Fisker Ocean, I’m hoping to get an EV that is close in manufacturing quality, interior quality, ride quality, features, etc. to the 2017 Kia Sorento SXL AWD.
Yeah, I owned Mercedeses & BMWs before the Tesla. I could never drive a Lexus. I keep the tires 45-46 psi to keep the ride firmer.
 
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