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Nope, not for me. Some “tech” does not need to be “modernized”. Sideview mirrors replaced by monitors that can go out in a heartbeat?- nope.

Turning stalks replaced by some touch/slide function on a screen? Overkill

Glovebox release mechanism in the “menu” on a touchscreen rather than a button or pull handle? Just please stop.

It might sound crazy, but there are a few of us who actually like moving levers, turning knobs and pressing buttons since we have very little opportunity to actually shift our cars anymore..

HF, please let “drivers” continue to “drive”.
 

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Nope, not for me. Some “tech” does not need to be “modernized”. Sideview mirrors replaced by monitors that can go out in a heartbeat?- nope.

Turning stalks replaced by some touch/slide function on a screen? Overkill

Glovebox release mechanism in the “menu” on a touchscreen rather than a button or pull handle? Just please stop.

It might sound crazy, but there are a few of us who actually like moving levers, turning knobs and pressing buttons since we have very little opportunity to actually shift our cars anymore..

HF, please let “drivers” continue to “drive”.
Ahhh. Rowing your own gears. So nostalgic.
 

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Every design decision elon makes recently makes his cars worse. He and tesla have jumped the shark. Was anyone anywhere unhappy with the way turn signals worked before? Nope.

Elon thinks everything needs to change just to seem like it's new and futuristic, even if the new ergonomics are worse. He can't deliver FSD, so he just has to keep changing other things that don't need changing to seem like he's still innovating. His cult of techbro fanboys will buy whatever he sells and convince themselves it's better.
 

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Every design decision elon makes recently makes his cars worse. He and tesla have jumped the shark. Was anyone anywhere unhappy with the way turn signals worked before? Nope.

Elon thinks everything needs to change just to seem like it's new and futuristic, even if the new ergonomics are worse. He can't deliver FSD, so he just has to keep changing other things that don't need changing to seem like he's still innovating. His cult of techbro fanboys will buy whatever he sells and convince themselves it's better.
It could possibly be cheaper to produce. I'm not exactly sure but cost comes to mind if this is really going to happen.
 

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Why is that showing the Tesla Semi? The Model S and X already have done this. I figured they would eventually do this to the Model 3/Y. It's saving them money. Personally, not a fan of removing all the stalks and putting the buttons on the steering wheel and screen.

That said, Models S3XY has had a big effect on the next generation of EVs that are arriving. Austere interiors with minimal buttons are becoming common (BMW iX, Lucide, Rivian, Ocean, etc). The digital HVAC fan controls is seen on the Rivian and also on the Ocean. Steering wheel multiuse control wheel/buttons (Rivian & Ocean). Large central LCD displays (everyone).
 

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It could possibly be cheaper to produce. I'm not exactly sure but cost comes to mind if this is really going to happen.
Maybe but this is a 70k car with massive profit margins, not a 20k econobox that has to have every penny squeezed out of it. Elon just wants to change things simply for the sake of seeming visionary, even when his visions make it worse.
 

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Tesla doesn’t publish their net profits. Everyone goes by their gross profits, which are about 30% margin, but those are not real profits. I suspect their net profit margin is under 10%.
That is a gigantic gross profit margin compared to legacy car makers though.

And you can find their net profit #'s. This is after all of the money they dump into those giga factories:
 

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That is a gigantic gross profit margin compared to legacy car makers though.

And you can find their net profit #'s. This is after all of the money they dump into those giga factories:
Gross profit margin is meaningless. You can have a very healthy gross profit margin and still be unprofitable.

The money they pay to build factories is not subtracted from gross profit. These are capital expenses that are amortized over a period of years and factor in gross profit margins. It’s not so easy to calculate the Tesla net profit margins, but if you are interested about the difference in gross and net profit, you can read up on it.
 

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Gross profit margin is meaningless. You can have a very healthy gross profit margin and still be unprofitable.

The money they pay to build factories is not subtracted from gross profit. These are capital expenses that are amortized over a period of years and factor in gross profit margins. It’s not so easy to calculate the Tesla net profit margins, but if you are interested about the difference in gross and net profit, you can read up on it.
Uh. Say what? Net profit is their profit after all expenses. Captial and operating expenses are handled differently for tax purposes. I know what these terms mean lol. As a public company they have to share this with the world...

If you are talking about carried debt, that is another thing...
 

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Uh. Say what? Net profit is their profit after all operating expenses. I know what these terms mean lol. As a public company they have to share this with the world...

If you are talking about carried dept, that is another thing...
Post here their net profits. Try to find it.

They don’t publish net profit. Gross profit is net income less COGS. It only factors in the profits left over after all manufacturing expenses are tallied up, including the factories, the machinery, the parts, the raw materials, and the salaries to factory workers. No other expenses (service centers, show rooms, salaries to non-factory workers, costs of parts and labor for warranty repair, utilities paid in non-factory facilities, interest for borrowed debt, etc.) is factored in the gross profit. All the expenses for the salaries to the high-paid Tesla engineers are excluded from calculating the gross profit.

To understand if a company is profitable and how profitable, you have to know the net profit.

I’m sure Tesla is net-profitable at this point, but it’s nowhere close to 30%.
 

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Uh. Say what? Net profit is their profit after all operating expenses. I know what these terms mean lol. As a public company they have to share this with the world...
Post here their net profits. Try to find it.

They don’t publish net profit. Gross profit is net income less COGS. It only factors in the profits left over after all manufacturing expenses are factors in. No other expenses (service centers, show rooms, salaries to non-factory workers, warranty repairs costs of parts and labor, interest in debt, etc.) is factored in the gross profit.

To understand if a company is profitable and how profitable, you have to know the. net profit.
Please see above. Had to fix my post(s) because I could see that you would nitpick it. Net profit is an internet search away as I thought.
 
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