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This rumor has been spread for a full year now. I had VW dealers last summer tell me Elon would open them all up by Nov/Dec 2021. lol.

When Biden's EV charging fund opens up and subsidizes each charger by $50 to $75K - then I will believe it.
 

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This rumor has been spread for a full year now. I had VW dealers last summer tell me Elon would open them all up by Nov/Dec 2021. lol.

When Biden's EV charging fund opens up and subsidizes each charger by $50 to $75K - then I will believe it.
Tesla is opening up superchargers in Europe with no financial support from any of the countries. It's not a rumor, Elon has specifically stated that he will be opening up Superchargers in North America. The issue is how long it will take them to start doing that. Tesla time on promises can take a long time!
 

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Tesla is opening up superchargers in Europe with no financial support from any of the countries. It's not a rumor, Elon has specifically stated that he will be opening up Superchargers in North America. The issue is how long it will take them to start doing that. Tesla time on promises can take a long time!
There are giant subsidies/grants in Europe for building a EV charger. They are pretty significant:


I don't see existing chargers being "retrofitted" due to cost and since they are already slammed (Tesla Superchargers are very busy these days) - there is no reason to open those up to CCS EVs. The margins on electricity are so small it doesn't make sense to invest hundreds of millions retrofitting existing chargers unless the goal is to kill off EA completely (EA will die anyhow - it's a compliance network and will run out of funds).

New superchargers.. I can see. But IMO they won't do it until they receive subsidies.
 

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There are giant subsidies/grants in Europe for building a EV charger. They are pretty significant:


I don't see existing chargers being "retrofitted" due to cost and since they are already slammed (Tesla Superchargers are very busy these days) - there is no reason to open those up to CCS EVs. The margins on electricity are so small it doesn't make sense to invest hundreds of millions retrofitting existing chargers unless the goal is to kill off EA completely (EA will die anyhow - it's a compliance network and will run out of funds).

New superchargers.. I can see. But IMO they won't do it until they receive subsidies.
It depends on where you are located. In California, yes Tesla superchargers are really busy. But on the east coast, not so much. I do a lot of traveling and sometimes I'm the only one charging at 8-20 stall supercharger locations. Tesla plans to double the size of their network within a couple years even without any additional Federal money. Eventually Tesla will have to replace all existing superchargers with CCS1 but that will probably be ten years off. Until then, they will most likely install new dual-head superchargers. Maybe a couple at a new 12 stall installation? Hard to say what they are going to do. In Europe they were forced to change since all chargers will be CCS2. Without direct government edict here, it will be much slower. I know that they will be required to install some CCS1 in order to quality for Federal money.
 

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It depends on where you are located. In California, yes Tesla superchargers are really busy. But on the east coast, not so much. I do a lot of traveling and sometimes I'm the only one charging at 8-20 stall supercharger locations. Tesla plans to double the size of their network within a couple years even without any additional Federal money. Eventually Tesla will have to replace all existing superchargers with CCS1 but that will probably be ten years off. Until then, they will most likely install new dual-head superchargers. Maybe a couple at a new 12 stall installation? Hard to say what they are going to do. In Europe they were forced to change since all chargers will be CCS2. Without direct government edict here, it will be much slower. I know that they will be required to install some CCS1 in order to quality for Federal money.
I'm in Florida and they are slammed. From Orlando down to Miami. Too many Teslas sold and not enough chargers. I've basically stopped using SCs unless I absolutely need to.

CCS chargers here? Mostly empty. Especially on the turnpike between Orlando and Miami where you will see 8 Teslas charging (out of 10-12 available) and 4 CCS stalls empty. There's no reason for Tesla to open their chargers up here. They won't recoup the investment. It would be solely for PR.

Downtown Orlando is a getting a giant 20+ stall hub (funded either by VW/dieselgate or the new EV charging fund) and Tesla was supposedly participating but bailed at the last moment. Rumors about requirements that Tesla didn't like... maybe they had to add CCS, etc.
 

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Coincidently, a couple miles from my house, today I noticed Tesla is building another 12 supercharger stalls next to the existing 12 already there.
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Downtown Orlando is a getting a giant 20+ stall hub (funded either by VW/dieselgate or the new EV charging fund) and Tesla was supposedly participating but bailed at the last moment. Rumors about requirements that Tesla didn't like... maybe they had to add CCS, etc.
Replying to my own comment… I learnt this downtown Orlando hub has been promised for 2+ years and barely any progress has been made. It was funded partially by the VW/dieselgate settlement given to each state much like how NEVI will work. So this is a glimpse of the future even with NEVI funding.

This Regan comment is apt.
“The top 9 most terrifying words in the English Language are: I'm from the government, and I'm here to help.”

I would not expect Florida to fund new Tesla SCs with CCS given they didn’t even consider them as a vendor in the NEVI plan. My opinion still holds. CCS EVs are great city commuters. Don’t road trip with them.
 

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This Regan comment is apt.
“The top 9 most terrifying words in the English Language are: I'm from the government, and I'm here to help.”
LOL. I think in RdS' Florida there is a new and even more terrifying version of this:
"I'm from the government and I'm here to protect you from the government."
 
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