[HotIce]

When Ocean One owners placed their orders, we saw a clause in the contract that said Fisker is anticipating hardware updates in three years time and they would install those updates on the cars for a fee.

What do you think those updates consist of and what do you think they're going to do? We'll circle back and see if anyone was right.

 

[TT97]

New tires?

My guess is CPUs, especially for the Fisker Intelligent Pilot.

 

[HotIce]

New tires?

My guess is CPUs, especially for the Fisker Intelligent Pilot.

I wonder if they have new accessories planned?

 

[Deafsoundguy]

I think that would have to be clarified. There’s software, firmware and hardware.

Hardware would obviously be real stuff you can hold in your hand. If they said “hardware”, then that to me would mean an actual chip or module with electronics inside (for a fee). Faster electronics to speed up interface and refresh rates.

Software is technically what’s on top operating your system. Firmware would be the base stuff between your components I believe. That being said it’s common for people and companies to use the term interchangeably. I have to do many software and/or firmware updates to all my digital mixers in my (sound) business. And I find they use those terms to cover both aspects many times with just one word description, usually firmware.

My guess is if they said anything, they mean a firmware upgrade, getting bugs out, or maybe an entirely new system that’s been redesigned for a faster new interface. Don’t know if that would include navigation and/or speed sign recognition software as well perhaps.

 

[HotIce]

So, I'm bumping this because I think I know what it is.

MobileEye EyeQ Ultra. Planned for 2025 release.

New Mobileye EyeQ Ultra will Enable Consumer AVs (intel.com)

 

[Conleyga]

So, I'm bumping this because I think I know what it is.

MobileEye EyeQ Ultra. Planned for 2025 release.

New Mobileye EyeQ Ultra will Enable Consumer AVs (intel.com)

If the Ocean ships ready with the appropriate hardware and they upgrade the chip to get it to Level 3 or even level-4 ADAS I would be all for that!

 

[HotIce]

If the Ocean ships ready with the appropriate hardware and they upgrade the chip to get it to Level 3 or even level-4 ADAS I would be all for that!

The contract mentions that they expect upgrades to be available in three years time but it would be at the customers cost to upgrade.

If this is what they plan on upgrading, it is awesome that they may be able to offer computer upgrades.

 

[phantomblot]

The clause could be a "get of of jail" card for stuff that are promised or communicated that won't be available a launch.

 

[Misanoblue]

Innoviz 2 Lidar for $1500 to enable level 4

 

[Conleyga]

Does anyone know what level ADAS the Ocean One is going to ship with?

 

[FutureSurfer]

Does anyone know what level ADAS the Ocean One is going to ship with?

I am pretty sure it is only going to ship with lane keep assist, adaptive cruise control, and emergency accident avoidance features. I do not think it is going to ship with anything beyond that, including auto-lane-change or any kind of automated driving system.

 

[Conleyga]

I am pretty sure it is only going to ship with lane keep assist, adaptive cruise control, and emergency accident avoidance features. I do not think it is going to ship with anything beyond that, including auto-lane-change or any kind of automated driving system.

Disappointing but not surprising. I am bracing myself for that being it as well. Oh well.

 

[FutureSurfer]

Disappointing but not surprising. I am bracing myself for that being it as well. Oh well.

Automated driving requires TONS of user data. And even with that, it does not solve itself (see Tesla). Fisker can not develop their own automated driving system out of the box, they just do not have the data. Something like SuperCruise is the first step (geo-locked highway driving only). Nothing else has been authorized by the NHTSA in a consumer vehicle.
The only path that I see making sense is for Fisker to license a system once available. People speculate that Apple or Google or perhaps even Huawei may be the source of something like this down the road. But they will have done all of the work and they will requires the hardware specs for their system from the vehicle manufacturer. We are at the dawn of this technology and it may be 5+ years before we start seeing it in vehicles like the Ocean.

 

[Conleyga]

So I guess the value is just having the capability hardware already installed. I was hopeful that it would ship level 2. Not something like 3 or 4.

 

[BayouCityBob]

Here is the Magna ADAS suite that Fisker will be using

ADAS & Automated Driving - SEE MORE | Magna

Scalable products, enabling technologies and advanced driving assistance technologies that develop the autonomy of the future.

www.magna.com

The Automated Highway Driving suite is most comprehensive. Not sure how much of this is ready for prime time.

 

[FutureSurfer]

Here is the Magna ADAS suite that Fisker will be using

ADAS & Automated Driving - SEE MORE | Magna

Scalable products, enabling technologies and advanced driving assistance technologies that develop the autonomy of the future.

www.magna.com

The Automated Highway Driving suite is most comprehensive. Not sure how much of this is ready for prime time.

You can even see from this suite of features that "automated high-way driving" is actually adaptive cruise plus lane keeping. This will probably evolve to auto-lane changing though not specifically outlined. Basically you will be able to get on a highway, turn this on and it will notify you when you get to your exit and you will take control again. This is the best we will see in the next few years for the Ocean, I am betting.

 

[BayouCityBob]

You can even see from this suite of features that "automated high-way driving" is actually adaptive cruise plus lane keeping. This will probably evolve to auto-lane changing though not specifically outlined. Basically you will be able to get on a highway, turn this on and it will notify you when you get to your exit and you will take control again. This is the best we will see in the next few years for the Ocean, I am betting.

The automated driving is designed to be fully SAE Level 3 compliant hands free.

Automated Highway Driving

Magna's Automated Highway Driving systems can determine path planning and negotiate lane transitions and speed modulation.

www.magna.com

 

[FutureSurfer]

The automated driving is designed to be fully SAE Level 3 compliant hands free.

Automated Highway Driving

Magna's Automated Highway Driving systems can determine path planning and negotiate lane transitions and speed modulation.

www.magna.com

Yes there is quite a bit of difference between off-highway driving and on-highway driving. This is basically the same as SuperCruise. Geo-fenced (specific roads) highway-only and supervised hands-free. But definitely a type of automated driving so I guess the question is, does this come on the Ocean out of the box. I don't know the answer to that but I would say if it doesn't we can assume it will soonish.

 

[BayouCityBob]

Yes there is quite a bit of difference between off-highway driving and on-highway driving. This is basically the same as SuperCruise. Geo-fenced (specific roads) highway-only and supervised hands-free. But definitely a type of automated driving so I guess the question is, does this come on the Ocean out of the box. I don't know the answer to that but I would say if it doesn't we can assume it will soonish.

I agree. Everything I can find suggests that the Magna system is currently designed like SuperCruise for geo-fenced / highway only self-driving. The press kit from Fisker indicated that there would be Traffic Jam Assist (slow speed) but did not say the full highway pilot so hard to say how much is released or what will be included in which trim and no additional cost.

 

[phantomblot]

I guess I only need highway and low speed. Yet to sit in some autopilots that do country roads in a way that doesn't make me uncomfortable.